Poll!! Regarding old style Coop GUI

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Change is never easy..

Reword the poll and place it in the FMB forum and Ill bet you have the oposite results

Who said change was easy? It's hard!

Can I PM you with the missions I want so you can help me out? I'm going out of my mind trying to get these to work, but you seem to have figured it out.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Who said change was easy? It's hard!

So true!

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Can I PM you with the missions I want so you can help me out? I'm going out of my mind trying to get these to work, but you seem to have figured it out.

To be honest, my focus on scripts is on collecting in flight data..

During that process I have looked at alot of 'other' script examples that Ataros has posted, and while doing so I saw some of the neat stuff there are doing!!

But I havn't personally done any mission scripting in the mission sence.. Just logging flight data

So, Ataros is the guy to ask! And there are some other very bright guys in the FMB section of this fourm too! But check out Ataros's sig at the bottom, he has a bunch of links to a bunch of examples that will get you going!

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

So true!


To be honest, my focus on scripts is on collecting in flight data..

During that process I have looked at alot of 'other' script examples that Ataros has posted, and while doing so I saw some of the neat stuff there are doing!!

But I havn't personally done any mission scripting in the mission sence.. Just logging flight data

So, Ataros is the guy to ask! And there are some other very bright guys in the FMB section of this fourm too! But check out Ataros's sig at the bottom, he has a bunch of links to a bunch of examples that will get you going!

FMB is not COOP...

With coop you shouldnt need to spend a large amount of time trying to setup a coop, when are you going to get that SIMPLE fact in your head?

You keep on bringing Ataros into this but he voted for a coop system as well lmao FAIL

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

FMB is not COOP...

I never said it was..

On that note, read Ataros's last post, he explains it better than I could

How CoD took the TWO and merged them into ONE

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I never said it was..

On that note, read Ataros's last post, he explains it better than I could

How CoD took the TWO and merged them into ONE

OMG that's it I have had enough of you... I have never used the ignore feature before but your complete ignorance in this thread and others has led to this...

The game has problems that have been admitted by MG and the poll shows that a large number of ppl want the simple coop feature back but you continue to say everything is rosy... The game will be amazing one day but I have no longer the time or patience to deal with someone so unwilling to listen to others and ignorant to boot.

Bye.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

OMG that's it I have had enough of you...

If only

[furbs]

No ACE, we want a intuitive easy to use method of making CO-OPs with its own GUI. Just like IL2.
Hence the flipping name of the poll!!!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by furbs

No ACE, we want a intuitive easy to use method of making CO-OPs with its own GUI. Just like IL2.
Hence the flipping name of the poll!!!

Actully from what Ataros said in his last post it can be done now.. Just need someone to do it

[TheGrunch]

I think really, we can look at it like this.

A co-op in the Il-2 sense is basically a "mission". Once the mission is over, you don't want to keep playing. The whole design philosophy is different. Once you choose an aircraft you have an individual squadron or flight goal, and once you complete it, you are done and you can return to base unless you have other plans or interruptions. You fly one aircraft, and if you die, you are dead and it's tough, everyone else must fight on without you. It's interesting *because* of these limitations.

A dogfight in the Il-2 sense is a populated environment with no particularly strict or rigid mission structure or narrative or goal. It's just a "map". If you die you can hop into another aircraft whenever you want, or even into an aircraft in flight (depending upon settings). This is all we have at present in the GUI sense as there is no sense of "preparing for a mission" or "finishing a mission" - there is no decent briefing to speak of and no real debriefing or stats. There might be an overriding goal but because of the lack of detailed individual squadron briefing and aircraft choice and so on, most players will ignore it, and the map inevitably descends into furball chaos.

For that reason, the idea that co-op mode is now unnecessary is untrue. It's a completely different style of play with a completely different philosophy. To say that it's unrealistic because "in real life there was no co-op mode" is utter nonsense. In real life there was ALWAYS co-op mode. Military aircraft take off with a goal and a task to complete. This is clearly set out and timed and co-ordinated with other squadrons and groups. It isn't just "BLOW UP THE SHIPS SO RED WINS MAP LOL" either. The individual squadrons and groups' goals are distinct, and are planned to individually contribute toward achieving an overriding objective. These objectives are followed because they are the pilots' orders! You can't have that kind of organisation spontaneously, and that is where the current GUI falls down.

Dogfight mode is not a replacement for this because there is no organisation and no one to give orders, because if you don't agree with them or you have your own ideas, why would you follow them? You are not compelled in any way by the game structure or the scoring system or even other players to do so. Points and kudos are for blowing stuff up in dogfight mode, that's just how people think.

Did anyone who played IL-2 online for a long time ever consider MDS to be a complete replacement for co-op? I certainly didn't, and this is the same situation.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by TheGrunch

For that reason, the idea that co-op mode is now unnecessary is untrue.

Just to be clear, I never said the COOP is unnecessary

I don't know of anwyone else that said that either

Only thing Ataros said was 1C merged DF and COOP into one, aka MISSIONS

He also noted that if someone wanted to, they could generate a IL-2 like COOP GUI/MENU/LIST with post mission debreifing

That is the beauty of the CoD C#! Only limit is your imagination!

Problem is it does require one to learn C#.. Which at this early point in CoD seems to be too big of a learning curve for some.. But I think a year or two from now we will be amazied at all the things those C# guys are doing that the IL-2 COOP GUI/MENU/LIST is a distant memory