Friday Update - December 9, 2011

[Dano]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

This is no better than EA's fiasco with the BF3-PS3 promise, which they reneged on. This community isn't big enough, but I hope someone has the balls/money to take these guys to court over this.

What possible good do you actually see coming from such a course of action?

[Dano]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Hopefully the same thing that happened with EA, forced to actually give the product they promised.

There's a world of difference in forcing EA to give an already complete product to forcing 1C to finish all that was slated for Cliffs of Dover.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

For the record, it's VVS which comes from the Russian Военно-Воздушные Силы which transliterated is Voenno-Voszdushnye Sily

Yea sorry I was typing from memory and I dont care much for the Russians

Originally Posted by Insuber

As far as the launcher crash you misunderstood Luthier's answer, he said what I said. The "overall feature" is the new gfx engine in which the launcher.exe bug is "simply not present".

However it is fixed.... I just see everyone pushing for dynamic weather and FM's/DM's... If we cant multiplay for more than 30 mins or so we might as well not play at all...

Originally Posted by Insuber

As far as the Battle of Moscow, it was code named Operation Typhoon by the German army. It was concentrated in the Moscow district, West from Moscow. Barbarossa was the blitz invasion of Russia, few months before.

cheers,
Insuber

Thats a shame, I just thought as there was no battle for Moscow because the German advance fell 30km(?) short it would really be about the advance before hand... A Smolensk map would have made a great campaign map... Bf109 vs Yak 1's, I16's and Miggs...

[flyingblind]

Thanks for the update. I guess the positive people will see it as positive and vice versa for the negative. Oh well.

This bit made me laugh:

9. Can we have a Spitfire with Hispano Suiza 20mm cannon?

Quote:
We discussed this with some members of the community a while ago and decided that it makes no sense. If we make the guns realistically crappy and unreliable no one will fly it. And if we make the weapons unrealistically reliable it will completely shift the balance and give the Allies a huge advantage. We do not need to add another questionable feature to the project and give the fans another thing no one can agree upon, except to say that we suck.

An excellent answer. Nearly wet myself.

[Dano]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

But there are laws at least in my country about bait and switch. Asking someone to pay for a different product which contains the something they advertised in a current product, is deceptive and illegal. Wonder if the maybe 35 guys that post regularly in this forum would count as "class-action" or not, lol.

What exactly is missing that was promised? Actually promised and not just discussed. And again, what possible good do you actually see it doing other than forcing the premature end of sims from Luthier and 1C or are you actually that short sighted that you think they have a fully working sim at the office just waiting for somebody to take legal action against them before release?

[Dano]

Which of those do we not have?

I'm not 'bashing' anyone, just curious as to what good you actually think it would do to create a further financial burden on a company that is in a niche market and has obviously already had issues.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Dano

Which of those do we not have?

Dano..

Don't bother.. They will never answer..

Why?

Because any attempt at providing an answer will only prove the fact that there is nothing missing that was advertised.

And don't even bother to try and understand why they would want to promote such a myth.. You probably wouldn't want to know anyway, surly some Freudian cigar thingie!

All you can hope for is to put out the true information in the hopes that those new comers and old who are reading this thread will realize that they never provided an answer

At which point they will realize 1C did not rip them off and thus not get upset over a myth

Having people pissed off over a myth does not do them or the progress of this sim any good

So just keep the truth out there in opostion to the myths..

Just don't hold your breath waiting for an answer from the myth makers!

[klem]

Well BlackSix, if you're still reading posts this far down the thread you'll have a taste of what Luthier had to put up with. Guys are speculating, some are complaining and then they begin to argue about their speculations and complaints as thought they are fact. Then they blame 1C for the speculations and fights they have created themselves. Welcome to the banana forum.

Thank you for the information, it is what it is. It doesn't meet all our hopes but two direct questions may answer many speculations and complaints.

You say you don't know if the next release will be "compatible with CoD". A more direct question which I don't think people have asked clearly is:

"Will it be possible for BoM to be merged with CoD?" (Like we did in IL-2).

"If so, will all the new core improvements work for CoD maps and aircraft?"

[xHeadbanDx]

Yaaa for updates !!!! hope the squeal adds Americana and Russian planes.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

From Steam's advertisement, the original 1c one is full of more promises, but take a look at which of these features you have right now. Go look for Oleg's posts dating from way back, you'll see small, but important lines, telling us what is for this installment.


http://store.steampowered.com/app/63950/


You're bashing at the wrong guy, I'm one that normally opens people to the stuff that is right here. But hearing that they are dropping work on giving us the goods, in order to work on something we're going to have to pay for is just wrong.

Its highly unlikely that you will have to pay for the Battle for Moscow to get any new features like dynamic weather. It would probably be added as a patch to COD, although most people will probably buy Battle for Moscow and any new features will be added to COD, when they do a merged install. Personally I don't have that much interest in the Eastern front but will quite happily buy it to support further theaters, like the Med.