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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

View Poll Results: When will the next beta patch be released?
thursday!!! 1 0.74%
this friday 18 13.24%
during next week 15 11.03%
during the week after the next week 12 8.82%
in three weeks 9 6.62%
after a month 12 8.82%
two months 2 1.47%
three months 5 3.68%
this year, hopefully.. 20 14.71%
in two weeks 42 30.88%
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Old 12-05-2011, 05:58 PM
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No brainer: C

That is why this game is going to take a long, long time to fix.
Really?

So if it is that crystal clear.. Than it should be a simple case for you to list all the CLEAR/VISABLE bugs.. Right?

With that said.. Can you provide a few examples of CLEAR/VISABLE bugs that IYHO would qualify calling CoD 'alpha'

Just so I can see it from your point of view in the hopes we can all be on the same sheet of music here
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Really?

So if it is that crystal clear.. Than it should be a simple case for you to list all the CLEAR/VISABLE bugs.. Right?

With that said.. Can you provide a few examples of CLEAR/VISABLE bugs that IYHO would qualify calling CoD 'alpha'

Just so I can see it from your point of view in the hopes we can all be on the same sheet of music here
Just for starters:

No functioning antialiasing alone is reason enough to call this software alpha quality. Terrible AI, rewriting the graphics engine and no DX 11 as promised also make this software alpha quality. It is promising alpha software, but that is all right now.

There are also too many bugs listed on this forum for me to bother to repeat.

Clear as crystal to me.
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Old 12-05-2011, 06:23 PM
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No functioning antialiasing alone is reason enough to call this software alpha quality.
Well.. not based on Maus's definition of beta.. If I am reading Maus's definition correctly, to qualify as 'alpha' the 'bug' would have to be CLEARLY a bug.. That is to say it does not work as 'expected' by the programers logic..

Correct me if I am wrong, but that 'feature' was disabled by 1C prior to release, thus the programer disabled it, thus the programer would expect it to be disabled. Thus it is working per the programers loigc and thus not a bug

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Terrible AI,
No, that does not count as a bug.. Not only is this not CLEAR but it is very subjective! That is to say ask 10 people what they think about the AI in CoD and your likly to get 10 differnt ansiwers.. which is not CLEAR by any definition

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rewriting the graphics enginealso make this software alpha quality.
No, that does not count as a bug.. Because the developer decided to 'upgrade' something does not mean it is a bug

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and no DX 11 as promised
DX 11 was never advertised (aka promised).. Only DX11 API support was advertised and CoD dose make use of the DX11 API, so the is not a bug

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There are also too many bugs listed on this forum for me to bother to repeat.
As I half expected.. You could provide no CLEAR/VISABLE bugs

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Clear as crystal to me.
And many like you.. Problem is upon closer inspection it is more myth than fact
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Well.. not based on Maus's definition of beta.. If I am reading Maus's definition correctly, to qualify as 'alpha' the 'bug' would have to be CLEARLY a bug.. That is to say it does not work as 'expected' by the programers logic..

Correct me if I am wrong, but that 'feature' was disabled by 1C prior to release, thus the programer disabled it, thus the programer would expect it to be disabled. Thus it is working per the programers loigc and thus not a bug


No, that does not count as a bug.. Not only is this not CLEAR but it is very subjective! That is to say ask 10 people what they think about the AI in CoD and your likly to get 10 differnt ansiwers.. which is not CLEAR by any definition


No, that does not count as a bug.. Because the developer decided to 'upgrade' something does not mean it is a bug


DX 11 was never advertised (aka promised).. Only DX11 API support was advertised and CoD dose make use of the DX11 API, so the is not a bug


As I half expected.. You could provide no CLEAR/VISABLE bugs


And many like you.. Problem is upon closer inspection it is more myth than fact
Whatever.
As with many like you, you can't tell the truth about the shortcomings of this sim without lame protectionist arguments to hide the problems. Perhaps I should calibrate my monitor LOL. Oh and BTW, Ubisoft is still advertising DX11. http://il2sturmovik.ubi.com/cliffs-o.../key-features/ LOL.
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Whatever.
As with many like you, you can't tell the truth about the shortcomings of this sim without lame protectionist arguments to hide the problems.
As expected.. You can not provide '1' example of which you claim to be CLEAR and plentiful.. Which says a lot about your argument! As for you trying to take the focus off of that FACT your now trying to put words in my mouth as to what I consider to be short coming? Please! I have plenty of issues with CoD, but mine are based in reality not myths

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Perhaps I should calibrate my monitor LOL.
Something.. because you falling prey to myths that are upsetting you for no real reason

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Oh and BTW, Ubisoft is still advertising DX11 support. LOL.
Actually that is another myth that you have fallen prey too.. No where does UBI or 1C advertise DX11 support, they advertise DX11 API support which is very different
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As expected.. You can not provide '1' example of which you claim to be CLEAR and plentiful.. Which says a lot about your argument! As for you trying to take the focus off of that FACT your now trying to put words in my mouth as to what I consider to be short coming? Please! I have plenty of issues with CoD, but mine are based in reality not myths


Something.. because you falling prey to myths that are upsetting you for no real reason


Actually that is another myth that you have fallen prey too.. No where does UBI or 1C advertise DX11 support, they advertise DX11 API support which is very different
There are no bugs in CoD. It is perfect coding. DX11 is not an API. Some things you believe. LOL

Can't argue with someone who thinks these things.
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There are no bugs in CoD. It is perfect coding.
Hey.. Your the one that said there were crystal clear examples of bugs that qualified CoD as a 'alpha' product.. So dont get upset with me because you were not able to provide '1'

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DX11 is not an API. Some things you believe. LOL
Sorry but you are wrong.. Take a closer look at that link you yourself provided and note it says DX 10 and DX 11 API support..

On a related note, you can edit your conf.ini file such that CoD will use DX11 feature levels..

So not only does CoD make use of the DX 11 API but it can also run DX 11 feature levels.. Just not very well because at the time of the release, Oleg noted there were issue with Microsofts DX 11 features level that caused 1C to default to DX 10 feature levels

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Can't argue with someone who thinks these things.
Just as I can not converse (argue) with someone that claims there are plenty of CLEAR bugs examples in CoD that qualify it as a 'alpha' release..

But can not provide one
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Alpha, beta who cares, what was released was 90% Crap, 9 months down the line and its 50% crap. Yes i can play the game but it still stutters and crashes to desktop every 10 mins which frankly is appalling.

Ignore AOA he's just after a free version of BOM or something sexual.
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Alpha, beta who cares, what was released was 90% Crap, 9 months down the line and its 50% crap. Yes i can play the game but it still stutters and crashes to desktop every 10 mins which frankly is appalling.

Ignore AOA he's just after a free version of BOM or something sexual.
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Alpha, beta who cares, what was released was 90% Crap, 9 months down the line and its 50% crap. Yes i can play the game but it still stutters and crashes to desktop every 10 mins which frankly is appalling.
Yet there are plenty of people who dont have those problems.. Which would imply it has more to do with your PC than CoD

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Ignore AOA he's just after a free version of BOM or something sexual.
When whinners can't provide one example of something claim to be true, they resort to name calling. Typical
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