ATAG Dedicated Server is up!

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

If you can't get kills in a 109 because you think the spitIIs are too awesome, maybe you need to go back to flight school, as you were clearly too dependent on the advantages you used to have in your plane, and in fact you need to become a better pilot!

If you can't get kills in a Spit MkIa then you need to go back to flight school and learn to become a better pilot!

[ReconNZ]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

If you can't get kills in a Spit MkIa then you need to go back to flight school and learn to become a better pilot!

lol, couldnt agree more, I certainly need much more time in the old flight school, no matter what I fly! I could be rolling in a flying Porsche with spinning rims and two giant pink fluffy dice, and I'd still get owned by a good pilot with a capgun and three helium balloons.

I think the respective flight models of the various ac are less important than people make out!

[CWMV]

Ehhhhhhh....I'm not sure. I mean ya, it is all relative but its a flight simulator. You would think FM's would be important.

[klem]

Originally Posted by CWMV

Ehhhhhhh....I'm not sure. I mean ya, it is all relative but its a flight simulator. You would think FM's would be important.

Only if you fly to their strengths.

At the moment I'd say the strengths of all aircraft even as currently modelled are often thrown away (I know I sometimes do), usually resulting from lack of knowledge or frustration or kill-at-any-price, or because they never get the chance to use them (too early in flight to get tactical position, vulching) etc.

I was on the ATAG server last night intending to try out the Spit IIa on line. There were only five and I never got a look in. There were not the mass slayings predicted. The great demons never appeared.

I would be interested to hear from Blue pilots that fought the Spit IIa's last night. What did they think of the fights they were in?

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

Don't know, were any of the good ones on? Everytime I checked the server list, its was a bunch of unknowns... Even at 8pm, the server only had 9 people on.

I believe I might have been on at this time. I might also be unknown but does that mean I can't be one of the "good ones"? As it happens I am absolutely below average but still resent the implication a little!

EDIT; PS I was also in a Spit IIa and can atest that even its alleged superiority does not compensate in any way my below average skills! It is fun though and it's nice to have options in a fight, even if they fail to prevent the inevitable.

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

No offense intended Septic, I could have been more specific and said there was no one at all with Squadron tags, or any of the regulars on. I am certain none of the better 109 jockeys were playing last night, most weren't even in Steam, so not like they were playing somewhere else either.

None taken Old Chap!

[trumps]

Reccon, you don't need cannons to get 1pass kills, you only need to be able to shoot straight, and to your convergence! I personally find cannons to be more of a hinderance to my shooting!

Craig

[ReconNZ]

Originally Posted by trumps

Reccon, you don't need cannons to get 1pass kills, you only need to be able to shoot straight, and to your convergence! I personally find cannons to be more of a hinderance to my shooting!

Craig

Showoff!

I must admit, I scored a pilot kill the other night on a 109, havent done that in ages! Perhaps a more accurate statement from me would have been:

"Average pilots stand a much better chance of 1pass kills in the blue planes"

But hey, again I'm not complaining about it - it's historically accurate and I choose to fly red, I'm just a little jealous that's all!

[Hellbender]

Originally Posted by trumps

Reccon, you don't need cannons to get 1pass kills, you only need to be able to shoot straight, and to your convergence! I personally find cannons to be more of a hinderance to my shooting!

Craig

The Nose MGs of the 109 are very comfartable for precise shooting at the neuralgic points like on the engine part or the pilot cabine of the airplane in front of you. Especially, when you have a Spitfire in a sharp defensive turn a good leaded MG burst can cripple the engien of it and bring it eventually down. Also when you get very close to the Spit in the turn, you acn also use your cannon and try to anything on the SPit will it is in a sharp turn. While turning it makes a big target with its huge wings (the Spit) and with a hit in the wings , the SPit loses a lots of its lift and becomes an easier target for subsequent attacks.

[Osprey]

I just read the posting from yesterday and @Doggles, I have to say I'm disappointed in your opening post. I thought you had more about you in sticking the good fight no matter the odds and that you weren't in 109's just because they are better. It's like supporting Man Utd, you pick it because it wins with zero sentiment. The RAF have had it dead tough since release and they just generally get on with it, Klem has been bang on with the vast majority of his points imho.

I managed to get a ride in a SpitII last night and had some success, but both kills were versus 109's on the deck trying to turn fight - I worked with Robo and we did 3 of them in - he flew the Hurricane. The Spit II made no difference, I've nailed just as many in the Spit I because they just played the wrong cards. But more important for me was to actually have a go in it in the server I fly most in - why should I have to go elsewhere? I got one ride before Launcher crash and then it was taken so no biggy.

If you want to be restricting RAF then don't forget that your E3's and E4's also need to go. Read Steinhilpers book, he will tell you that the Luftwaffe were short of them and only 'the Spaniards' took them. Everyone else was on E1's. But on the server the RAF constantly face the E4's in massive numbers with their big cannon and dangerous twin nose MG's but do we constantly bang on about how unfair it is?

Sorry but I find the instant and very overly vocal Luftwhining very annoying. I would like to request that if ATAG feel pressured by the vocalists enough to remove the Spit II then please place serious restriction on the E4's and E3's too - it should be 40-50% E1's.