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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

We have F18. It's save to assume they are the best maintained F18 on the planet.
Yet, we still have only 50% availability.

Fleet availability is something that has little to do with how dependable an aircraft is. It might be down to maintenance routines, costs or other operational issues. Considering the know-how and experience of pilots and ground crews, I'd rather switch to the Super Hornet than change fleet completely.

For the this price and 2011?

The F22 is not available for Export, the way it looks right now they end production next year.
Given the fact they don't sell it, there's no need to discuss it.

And that's my point. The Eurofighter is the best multi-role jet money can buy at the moment. The F-22 wasn't sold cos THAT is a flop, and other than the technical snags, it's mainly cos the fleet maintenance costs the American taxpayers A LOT.

But outturnig a spit is an achievement?
I guess future Typhoon upgrades include the ability to outrun Mig 21s.

no, I didn't mean it in that way, I just find the manouverability of modern jets is outstanding, I'm sure an F-22 or a Su-27 could do as good.

I only know of the F117 lost in combat.
Then again, it was shot down by an elite AAA unit.
It actually only proves the existence of the golden shot, nothing more, nothing less.

no, they used extremely long wavelengths and spotted the F-117 when it opened the bomb bays. The plane was damaged by a proximity fuzed missile. This proves once again that when the American boast about new technologies, they do it too much and kill the surprise factor. AA units in Serbia were well aware of the existence of the stealth bomber, and used their skill and initiative shooting down a plane that had never been hit before.
Uh and for the record, the F-117 was retired in 2008 (in a somehow "stealth" fashion), to save one billion dollars for the F-22 program.. americans had been going in the wrong direction for quite some time now..

Actually I hope we buy the Grippen.
You get 2 of them for each eurofighter, double availability.
They are cheap to operate and idiotproof
Not EU
Not USA

yeah good luck with that, I'm sure the SAF is thrilled to get their Saabs..

In case we have to wait a few years maybe we should evaluate the Pak-Fa too, although they could be a bit oversized for this tiny country.

Yeah, another Russian gem considering the size of Swiss airspace you really need something that is manouverable

BTT:
What money? Stole from whom? Since 1911?

it was only a joke, I'm sure you're aware of the general impression the world has of Switzerland

[jg27_mc]

Originally Posted by swiss

...Too bad the "Allied" didn't lose any over Libya...

Are you serious?

I do like Spitfires (fav WWII airplane along with the P51 on the allied side) and more or less indifferent to the Eurofighter, my favorite machines are the Su27 (something special about this bird ) and the F16 on the western side.

Regards.

[JG52Uther]

With the money the UK has to spend over the next few years of recession, a couple of Cessnas with 20lb Cooper bombs would have been more appropriate...

[KG26_Alpha]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry, but that article has absolutely no value whatsoever.

Lol

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

With the money the UK has to spend over the next few years of recession, a couple of Cessnas with 20lb Cooper bombs would have been more appropriate...

Bingo

Its already on display in a Museum.............. taken May 2010

[JG52Krupi]

Still a good aircraft, it was like all European projects plagued with lack of resources and government interference.

So basically give it the money that a US project would receive and remove the work sharing squabbles from the EU and it would have been out earlier... its not a bad aircraft but just too late .

Did anybody really think that the EU would be able to produce a better aircraft than US and Russia... Only if they were given the same amount of money and free reign the other countries give there contracts.

BTW PAK FA FTW

[JG52Krupi]

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

Lol

Bingo

Its already on display in a Museum.............. taken May 2010

Alpha, you can lol as much as you like dude, but it's quite obvious you don't understand much about military aviation and its modern applications.

I mean, what's the post about the EF in Duxford supposed to mean? The EF in Duxford has reached its structural hours, so it's been put in the museum, if anything it's a testify of how much work it's been done on the airframe.

..uh and for the record, there's an F-22 on display in Dayton since 2008

[TomcatViP]

Guys we need to open a EF2000 thread.

Guess tht wld be only one more on the web.

WHat is true is that no generation of planes had ever been so contreversial. Even the Starfighter scandal was peanuts in regards.

Yeah EF2000 is an old concept that had come long. Just hve a look to who was responsible of the initial design in the Uk

Probably that it won't stand on top in front of Pak/FA or a J20 if those ever achieve their high expectation (I am confident for the Pak/FA especially if India select either the RaF or the Ef )

Certainly it won't hve much chance against a F22 and will hve to fight hard to prevail against an F35 if those two achieve a reliability high enough to remain credible (I guess that when Ef would hve been sold in numbers this would help the situation ).

But let us remind WWII when many super fighters were rolled proudly in front of the hanger of their respective manufacturer... Who did bear the brunt of the Adler Tag and Pear harbor attack ? Hurricane, MS406, Wildcats and P36. They were there in large numbers, practicable and average performers for a bunch of forgotten men that stand firm at their commands.

Wht matter the most in those troubled days is that our airspace are protected.

Is the price too high and the tempo to slow ? Yes ! That's undeniable. Is that a problem related to the industrial sector ? No.

End of arguments.

You can either point Fukujima, the car manufacturer selling millions of outdated engines, the food industry and so on. But this is not a place for a technical, aviation oriented forum. It's a matter of us.