sound radar is back ... naaaaaaah!

[CWMV]

I noticed it tonight big-time. I knew a 109 was jumping me before my wing saw him because I heard the guy a mile away.

My own guns? Sure, I should hear them.
A 109 on my 6 high 500 meters out with a 1000 ft alt advantage? Probably not.
I dont notice it so much when I normally fly blue. Merlin's are quiet compared to the DB.

[KeBrAnTo]

Originally Posted by CWMV

I noticed it tonight big-time. I knew a 109 was jumping me before my wing saw him because I heard the guy a mile away.

My own guns? Sure, I should hear them.
A 109 on my 6 high 500 meters out with a 1000 ft alt advantage? Probably not.
I dont notice it so much when I normally fly blue. Merlin's are quiet compared to the DB.

+1

[6S.Manu]

Where's the problem, Insu?

People here are happy: they claim CloD as the most realistic WW2 simulator ever...

During SoW development I asked about this problem pratically every time Oleg was posting an update on the board. Now, knowing the substance of those updates and the final release state of CloD (lol) I understand why they never answered to my two questions... (the other one was about target visibility)

Anyway yesterday I've uninstalled both CloD and RO2.

Simply I can't enjoy passing hours fighting over my airbase bnzing the countless Spitfires who fly over the channel at 500m in a voulching/suicide mission (because there is not profit in gaining altitude over the channel, at least for me).

I wish I could enjoy it, to minimize the other deficiencies of this "sim", but I really can't.

So I'm not going to pay attention to the board like i did before: I can stand no more Tagert-like clowns or the endless "Please! New flyable airplane!" threads posting.

I don't think I'll contribute to my own "Target visibility" thread too, since many people here are satisfied hunting dots. I was going to post a video about a possible solution, but who cares?

BTW I guess this is the principle reason why one now sees a lot of red pilots flying with hood open. To hear better. This is completely *****. First the canopy open should increase drag and slow the plane. Second it should not improve sound radar. Instead sound radar should be removed entirely.

I do not see why it should be difficult to remove sound radar.

You just need a status evaluation of the player's engine such as:

if engine stopped then
>allow environment sounds
else if engine running then
>don't use sound samples of other objects than that of the player's game
end if

[jg27_mc]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

I don't think I'll contribute to my own "Target visibility" thread too, since many people here are satisfied hunting dots. I was going to post a video about a possible solution, but who cares?

I care please do.

BTW I am also experiencing the radar effect when attacking (in a 109). In some rare occasions I could "feel" the presence of an enemy plane in my six.

Regards.

[klem]

Originally Posted by a67epipadjld

The crazy sound radar ruins all of the sneak attacks... I suffered this issue several times in ATAG, approaching an enemy plane from 6 o'clock low, in the blind spot. They hear you from > 300 m.
it wasn't present before last patch iirc.

Devs do something !

What's with all the advertising junk ??

[SKUD]

Folks
I have flown in the jump seat of a p-51 doing 300 knot canyon runs. The mic came unhooked momentarily and I can tell you the pilot was screaming with his face 8 inches from mine and all I could do was read his lips. You can't hear flaps or gear execpt a faint thump when it locks down. The sound in these things at speed is deafening. The pilot wore earplugs under his headset in his helmet. Given the sound levels and the fact that a WWII pilot would have a over-the-ear-headset on, the only indication you will get of enemy on your six is when his bullets (or cannon rounds) are filling your plane with holes. Also, the prop outline is more obvious and much bigger than what we have in this sim. Might be an FOV issue tho.
SKUD

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by SKUD

Folks
I have flown in the jump seat of a p-51 doing 300 knot canyon runs. The mic came unhooked momentarily and I can tell you the pilot was screaming with his face 8 inches from mine and all I could do was read his lips. You can't hear flaps or gear execpt a faint thump when it locks down. The sound in these things at speed is deafening. The pilot wore earplugs under his headset in his helmet. Given the sound levels and the fact that a WWII pilot would have a over-the-ear-headset on, the only indication you will get of enemy on your six is when his bullets (or cannon rounds) are filling your plane with holes. Also, the prop outline is more obvious and much bigger than what we have in this sim. Might be an FOV issue tho.
SKUD

+1

First Hand Experience.

Thanks for posting. Nothing should be heard from outside.

[drewpee]

Sound recognition is a bit like eye sight, some people have more sensitive hearing with better ability to determine/separate differing frequencies. Many are tone deaf. I know in my house I can hear a car door closing out side 90% of the time when no one else can. Also my wife can't tell when a tune is off key.

This you-tube vid was posted elsewhere on forum and some couldn't hear when the AC is flying in formation. I had no such problem. The hole resonance changes when instead of 12 cylinders 24 are vibrating the air and airframe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--2H9Dj9eMY

Originally Posted by drewpee

Sound recognition is a bit like eye sight, some people have more sensitive hearing with better ability to determine/separate differing frequencies. Many are tone deaf. I know in my house I can hear a car door closing out side 90% of the time when no one else can. Also my wife can't tell when a tune is off key.

This you-tube vid was posted elsewhere on forum and some couldn't hear when the AC is flying in formation. I had no such problem. The hole resonance changes when instead of 12 cylinders 24 are vibrating the air and airframe.

So to you sound radar should be present because in real time one bloke in the whole luftwaffe or the raf might habe heard a plane when flying close?

All first hand accounts that I have read on this matter state that other planes could not be heard. This is a good indicator that the vast majority could hear nothing. I propose that we modell the environment after the most common pilot and not after some individuals with superpowers ...