Fantastic FW 190 video

[bw_wolverine]

Very interesting converseration!

I have to say that I fall mostly on Sternjager II's side of this. After reading all of the points, my hypothetical situation to suggest to everyone regarding whether original planes should be flying forever is this:

Let's say a team of crack restoration people got the Wright brothers' Flyer I in absolutely pristine condition using (incredibly!) all original parts!

There is no WAY that thing should be flown again! I don't think anyone would say that it should. That thing is just way too valuable as a historical piece.

If these WWII aircraft are as valuable as we believe they are in a historical sense, preservation of the plane should be higher priority than the vanity of watching an original plane fly. Sure, it's nice to see those planes in the air, but there's a point at which original bits just won't work and a replica, made as close as possible to original plans, is the only way you get a "safe" plane in the air. The debate shouldn't be do we keep them flying. The debate should be at what point do we ground them. I think ONE LEFT is a pretty good point to ground them!

I'll be sad when the last original airframe from WWII is no longer flying, but just like with the Wright brothers' planes, I'll get over it.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Very interesting converseration!

I have to say that I fall mostly on Sternjager II's side of this. After reading all of the points, my hypothetical situation to suggest to everyone regarding whether original planes should be flying forever is this:

Let's say a team of crack restoration people got the Wright brothers' Flyer I in absolutely pristine condition using (incredibly!) all original parts!

There is no WAY that thing should be flown again! I don't think anyone would say that it should. That thing is just way too valuable as a historical piece.

If these WWII aircraft are as valuable as we believe they are in a historical sense, preservation of the plane should be higher priority than the vanity of watching an original plane fly. Sure, it's nice to see those planes in the air, but there's a point at which original bits just won't work and a replica, made as close as possible to original plans, is the only way you get a "safe" plane in the air. The debate shouldn't be do we keep them flying. The debate should be at what point do we ground them. I think ONE LEFT is a pretty good point to ground them!

I'll be sad when the last original airframe from WWII is no longer flying, but just like with the Wright brothers' planes, I'll get over it.

I think you have missed the point, certainly I do not want a rare example flying the argument at present is that the aircraft is in pristine condition and if they ever wanted to get it flying then they easily could do so.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I think you have missed the point, certainly I do not want a rare example flying the argument at present is that the aircraft is in pristine condition and if they ever wanted to get it flying then they easily could do so.

If that's the issue, whether or not skilled restoration personel could get a vintage aircraft flying again, then of course they could. Agreed. I thought the debate was about whether they should get the plane in the air. My mistake

Just look at what can be done with that Spit Mk.I that's in the air again. It's an amazing sight to see, but I hope they know when to keep it on the ground before it's too late. I'm sure most of these planes are in good hands.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I think you have missed the point, certainly I do not want a rare example flying the argument at present is that the aircraft is in pristine condition and if they ever wanted to get it flying then they easily could do so.

nope, it's a bureaucratic empasse that we're arguing here more than whether the machine is in fact airworthy or not.

The machine is unique, so it would probably go in "experimental" category, but even then it needs to comply with certain safety standards that would alter the originality. So as things are now, you could take off with it, but you would be taking a huge risk (not to mention that if you land it again, you'd be grounded for long, long time..).

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

nope, it's a bureaucratic empasse that we're arguing here more than whether the machine is in fact airworthy or not.

The machine is unique, so it would probably go in "experimental" category, but even then it needs to comply with certain safety standards that would alter the originality. So as things are now, you could take off with it, but you would be taking a huge risk (not to mention that if you land it again, you'd be grounded for long, long time..).

Right... soooo currently there is not a rather rare 190 with an original BWM 801 engine flying around!!!!!

FAIL

[JG52Krupi]

http://www.cebudanderson.com/yellow10.htm

Read... sterny

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

http://www.cebudanderson.com/yellow10.htm

Read... sterny

man, how many times I have to repeat this? If it's not airworthy for the FAA then it's not airworthy. What's written on cebudanderson website is not divine word, it implies that the restoration work has been done to airworthiness standards, but respecting the authenticity of the plane, which, as such, is not suitable for flight according to the FAA (and the insane insurance costs).

as for website resources, according to this, the plane is restored to "near to airworthy" conditions, whatever that means..
http://www.indianamilitary.org/Freem...90D13/0118.htm

[JG52Krupi]

Dude, this is the industry I work in.... "You would have me teach my Grandame to suck Eggs"

From the link you posted...

"Although the aircraft has been restored to near airworthy condition there are no plans to fly it due to its rarity and monetary value."

By the way aircraft can be given airworthy status... just seems like you didn't know this...

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Right... soooo currently there is not a rather rare 190 with an original BWM 801 engine flying around!!!!!

FAIL

Krupi, you lost me completely