Fantastic FW 190 video

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by madrebel

the people who work at this museum told me the plane is airworthy. considering they fly a 109E3 that was buried in sand and a 190A5 that was covered in mud i'll take their word for it.

but im sure you know better.

I surely know more than you.

An aeroplane is considered airworthy when it gets a certificate of airworthiness by the aviation authority,in this specific case the FAA. The opinion of members of staff is not a certificate of airworthiness; the fact that the plane is complete and sporting all original components doesn't mean it's fit to fly.

The modifications necessary to get a certification would be too drastic and would alter the original layout/components etc.. That's why it's not worth making it fly again,and thank God I say,cos that Jumo is as reliable as a chocolate teapot.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

From the FHC website:

This airplane: This is the only long-nosed Fw 190 D-13 to have survived the war. It entered service in March of 1945 and served with the JG (Jagdgeschwader) 26 wing, with Major Franz Götz as the plane's pilot and the wing's commodore. In May, 1945, after the end of the war, Major Götz flew this D-13 to the RAF base in Flensburg, Germany, and surrendered it. This airplane has been restored close to flyable condition, but it will not be flown because it is such a rare example of the Fw 190 line.

It does not say it is air-worthy at all. In fact, it states it is NOT in flyable condition now.

Really well I can't see anywhere that says its not in a fly able condition in fact they say it's close.

What they did say is they won't because of how rare it is, as madrebel has already explained.

[swiss]

close = not 100% = not flyable

If you play lotto and you miss each of the correct numbers by one, your dang close yet you won't get anything.
Let me know in case you need a drawing...

plus, cost probably raise exponentially the closer you get to those 100%.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by swiss

close = not 100% = not flyable

If you play lotto and you miss each of the correct numbers by one, your dang close yet you won't get anything.
Let me know in case you need a drawing...

plus, cost probably raise exponentially the closer you get to those 100%.

If they can dig wrecks out the ground get they up in the air again I'm sure they have enough money to get an aicraft that was flying around prior to them getting hold of it.

[bw_wolverine]

Very interesting converseration!

I have to say that I fall mostly on Sternjager II's side of this. After reading all of the points, my hypothetical situation to suggest to everyone regarding whether original planes should be flying forever is this:

Let's say a team of crack restoration people got the Wright brothers' Flyer I in absolutely pristine condition using (incredibly!) all original parts!

There is no WAY that thing should be flown again! I don't think anyone would say that it should. That thing is just way too valuable as a historical piece.

If these WWII aircraft are as valuable as we believe they are in a historical sense, preservation of the plane should be higher priority than the vanity of watching an original plane fly. Sure, it's nice to see those planes in the air, but there's a point at which original bits just won't work and a replica, made as close as possible to original plans, is the only way you get a "safe" plane in the air. The debate shouldn't be do we keep them flying. The debate should be at what point do we ground them. I think ONE LEFT is a pretty good point to ground them!

I'll be sad when the last original airframe from WWII is no longer flying, but just like with the Wright brothers' planes, I'll get over it.

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by bw_wolverine

Very interesting converseration!

I have to say that I fall mostly on Sternjager II's side of this. After reading all of the points, my hypothetical situation to suggest to everyone regarding whether original planes should be flying forever is this:

Let's say a team of crack restoration people got the Wright brothers' Flyer I in absolutely pristine condition using (incredibly!) all original parts!

There is no WAY that thing should be flown again! I don't think anyone would say that it should. That thing is just way too valuable as a historical piece.

If these WWII aircraft are as valuable as we believe they are in a historical sense, preservation of the plane should be higher priority than the vanity of watching an original plane fly. Sure, it's nice to see those planes in the air, but there's a point at which original bits just won't work and a replica, made as close as possible to original plans, is the only way you get a "safe" plane in the air. The debate shouldn't be do we keep them flying. The debate should be at what point do we ground them. I think ONE LEFT is a pretty good point to ground them!

I'll be sad when the last original airframe from WWII is no longer flying, but just like with the Wright brothers' planes, I'll get over it.

I think you have missed the point, certainly I do not want a rare example flying the argument at present is that the aircraft is in pristine condition and if they ever wanted to get it flying then they easily could do so.

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I think you have missed the point, certainly I do not want a rare example flying the argument at present is that the aircraft is in pristine condition and if they ever wanted to get it flying then they easily could do so.

If that's the issue, whether or not skilled restoration personel could get a vintage aircraft flying again, then of course they could. Agreed. I thought the debate was about whether they should get the plane in the air. My mistake

Just look at what can be done with that Spit Mk.I that's in the air again. It's an amazing sight to see, but I hope they know when to keep it on the ground before it's too late. I'm sure most of these planes are in good hands.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

I think you have missed the point, certainly I do not want a rare example flying the argument at present is that the aircraft is in pristine condition and if they ever wanted to get it flying then they easily could do so.

nope, it's a bureaucratic empasse that we're arguing here more than whether the machine is in fact airworthy or not.

The machine is unique, so it would probably go in "experimental" category, but even then it needs to comply with certain safety standards that would alter the originality. So as things are now, you could take off with it, but you would be taking a huge risk (not to mention that if you land it again, you'd be grounded for long, long time..).

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

What they did say is they won't because of how rare it is, as madrebel has already explained.

mmmh I heard several people here who dealt with Allen & co. and I think it's not all about philantropy..

[JG52Krupi]

Yeah of course because people don't put rare valuable items in buiings where they can be seen but not used.... Oh hang on there is what are they called ah yes that was it, museums!!!

The aircraft is in close to flying condition but it is clearly too rare to fly.