The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[Viking]

Originally Posted by T_O_A_D

It would be nice if NG would drop their attitude for future games or additions to newer products by Oleg.

Forget about IL2 and what they pulled over on it.

A US defence contractor that lives and thrives on the hate and fear of the American population will coop with a Russian war games maker??

Dont make me laugh!

[NukeItFromOrbit]

Originally Posted by Viking

A US defence contractor that lives and thrives on the hate and fear of the American population will coop with a Russian war games maker??
Dont make me laugh!

"Lives and thrives on the hate and fear of the American population"???

There are many good people working for Northrop Grumman and they still make some damn impressive aircraft and systems today. Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW.

If this is true, it is completely wrong of NG and their lawyers to take advantage of 1C like that, and it was wrong of Ubisoft to allow it to happen. Yet this is typical corporate behavior and shouldn't reflect on the engineers, workers, and others at NG.

It seems strange that certain aircraft like the F4F and F6F would be allowed under this "agreement" yet all others not allowed without fees. Also, Xilon's post refererenced the B-29 which is a Boeing, not Northrop or Grumman, aircraft.

[Viking]

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing."
Or worse to work for it.

As for the "Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW" I can asure you that WE dont!

Viking

An interesting distinction is made here between photographs/art (note the requirements) and everything else. I would imagine you are free to request further information from the contact listed if you feel the need ...

http://www.northropgrumman.com/ipm/tmpolicy.html


Another interesting point: " ...Grumman, as the manufacturer, owns the trademarks (e.g. "F-14", "Corsair") in the vehicles it makes." Since it didn't design or develop the F4U and only briefly owned part of Vought in the '90s, this must refer to the F2G which they did develop. Another lost aircraft ...

[HundertneunGustav]

dont worry... the ace combat and hawX peeps manage to get Tomcats in their games... and i bet they dont pay any fees either.
if the grumman stuff is stuffed for now, we canstill have these planes... just not from the parties involved in the discussed issue here. (which... IS... an issue.)
and with proper, neutral cover art and packaging.

[Xilon_x]

sorry my ignorance to american airplane N.Grumman how many airplane made in U.S. N.G. missing in il-2? what is the + + important? what is the type and model? you have the list? not all airplane only northrop grumman.
expecialy american airplane worked in europe during ww2.

[Fighterace]

I still dream of more NG aircraft being added to IL-2 1946 some day

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by HundertneunGustav

dont worry... the ace combat and hawX peeps manage to get Tomcats in their games... and i bet they dont pay any fees either.
if the grumman stuff is stuffed for now, we canstill have these planes... just not from the parties involved in the discussed issue here. (which... IS... an issue.)
and with proper, neutral cover art and packaging.

Ace Combat's various games include disclaimer mentioning that they were licensed by the various manufacturers to include the aircraft.

[NukeItFromOrbit]

Originally Posted by Viking

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing."
Or worse to work for it.
As for the "Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW" I can asure you that WE dont!
Viking

Work for evil? I don't know whose lies you have been buying but that simply isn't true.

For the most part, Northrop-Grumman is a corporation like any other, meaning they will pull garbage like this and bother a smaller game developer over trademark related issues. I don't support this behavior in anyway, but unfortunately that is the state of business in most of the world.

Yet there are valid reasons for NG's continued existence and I'm sure many of their workers remember the legacy of Northrop and Grumman. Yes they make many systems the United States needs because one simple fact always remains true. Through use or obsolesce, old systems including aircraft, need to be replaced. Plus there are always new capabilities the US military (or foreign customers) hope to in order to counter new or existing threats. Technology is always advancing.

The defense industry in the United States has been consolidated too much for my liking, and I honestly don't have much respect for the higher-level management of NG or most major corporations, defense-related or otherwise, but you're completely in the wrong to disrespect those workers and engineers.

[Viking]

Originally Posted by NukeItFromOrbit

Work for evil? I don't know whose lies you have been buying but that simply isn't true.

For the most part, Northrop-Grumman is a corporation like any other, meaning they will pull garbage like this and bother a smaller game developer over trademark related issues. I don't support this behavior in anyway, but unfortunately that is the state of business in most of the world.

Yet there are valid reasons for NG's continued existence and I'm sure many of their workers remember the legacy of Northrop and Grumman. Yes they make many systems the United States needs because one simple fact always remains true. Through use or obsolesce, old systems including aircraft, need to be replaced. Plus there are always new capabilities the US military (or foreign customers) hope to in order to counter new or existing threats. Technology is always advancing.

The defense industry in the United States has been consolidated too much for my liking, and I honestly don't have much respect for the higher-level management of NG or most major corporations, defense-related or otherwise, but you're completely in the wrong to disrespect those workers and engineers.

Yadayada.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8ww...eature=related

For a start