Vision of the future (By Microsoft not raaaid)

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Sorry man, but it still sounds like you never actually worked on a Mac for a prolonged period of time. I have met thousands of professionals who work with both, and not ONE has said "PC is better than Mac", not one.

That is the problem of the debate. I have never said the PC is "better". I merely have taken a bit away from the "Apple is better" crowds. Your insistence of seeing this an attack on Apple and it's unreflected, very one sided defense and promotion is what lets me think that this debate is mood. This is also reflected by the rest of your comment here.

Believe me, I would not have charged in here if your views were in any way balanced.

And let's just say I am not looking into MP3 connectivity throughout the house as my primary OS purpose, I also could tell you a whole lot about 3D modelling requirements and specialized hard and software as we are at it, but I fear it would be wasted anyways.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

That is the problem of the debate. I have never said the PC is "better". I merely have taken a bit away from the "Apple is better" crowds. Your insistence of seeing this an attack on Apple and it's unreflected, very one sided defense and promotion is what lets me think that this debate is mood. This is also reflected by the rest of your comment here.

Believe me, I would not have charged in here if your views were in any way balanced.

And let's just say I am not looking into MP3 connectivity throughout the house as my primary OS purpose, I also could tell you a whole lot about 3D modelling requirements and specialized hard and software as we are at it, but I fear it would be wasted anyways.

I'm sorry, but Apple is better, and my opinion is based on 15 years of use of both, ranging on a wide set of applications and hardware.

Without even going into the whole OS debate, there is not one Windows based PC brand (i.e. Dell, VAIO etc..) which can deliver quality products superior to Apple one. Just to give you an example, I'm typing this thing from a Macbook Air, by far the most revolutionary laptop ever, and when I see people waving their chunky Alienware or Acer or Vaio laptops, all I can think of is "why, when you can have one of this light, thin, dependable and performing macbooks?"

The mp3 connectivity as you call it was just a mere example, and feel free to tell me about any 3d specialised hardware and software, I'm not an expert but neither totally ignorant on the subject. Even in that field, you won't find a machine that has such quality, performance and above all moddability and longevity than a Mac Pro.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry, but Apple is better, and my opinion is based on 15 years of use of both, ranging on a wide set of applications and hardware.

Without even going into the whole OS debate, there is not one Windows based PC brand (i.e. Dell, VAIO etc..) which can deliver quality products superior to Apple one. Just to give you an example, I'm typing this thing from a Macbook Air, by far the most revolutionary laptop ever, and when I see people waving their chunky Alienware or Acer or Vaio laptops, all I can think of is "why, when you can have one of this light, thin, dependable and performing macbooks?"

The mp3 connectivity as you call it was just a mere example, and feel free to tell me about any 3d specialised hardware and software, I'm not an expert but neither totally ignorant on the subject. Even in that field, you won't find a machine that has such quality, performance and above all moddability and longevity than a Mac Pro.

lol, heavens, stern, take a deep breath, lean back, have a beer, relax and read again what you just wrote here. This could be right out of "the onion". It is so over the top =)

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

lol, heavens, stern, take a deep breath, lean back, have a beer, relax and read again what you just wrote here. This could be right out of "the onion". It is so over the top =)

I think you're exaggerating things a bit man, I gave my opinion as user of both systems, and I reckon Apple is overall better and more value for money, end of.

I seem to understand you don't have much experience with the Apple stuff, still you feel like making fun of others that do and tell you "dude, it's not just better, it's miles better".

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I think you're exaggerating things a bit man, I gave my opinion as user of both systems, and I reckon Apple is overall better and more value for money, end of.

I seem to understand you don't have much experience with the Apple stuff, still you feel like making fun of others that do and tell you "dude, it's not just better, it's miles better".

I am daily exposed to apple products, believe me. There is not much way around it these days, this way or another. The problem is that you picked out certain criteria you liked, and only those criteria count and are the most important. I do not have to be an expert on apple products to differ between somebody with an open mind and one that knows everything already before the debate even begun. No offense.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I am daily exposed to apple products, believe me. There is not much way around it these days, this way or another. The problem is that you picked out certain criteria you liked, and only those criteria count and are the most important. I do not have to be an expert on apple products to differ between somebody with an open mind and one that knows everything already before the debate even begun. No offense.

dude, prove me wrong then.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

dude, prove me wrong then.

What is there to proof? I said Apple is more streamlines, PC is more adaptable. That simply is the case, so obvious as if you want me to proof that we have sunny and bad weather.

You like certain features like design, easy to use, great quality. Software geared for it is very good. All true. And I actually enjoy products like the Iphone when I get my hands on it.

I said there for pure performance you get more bang for the buck with a PC system, high end hardware and also special task hardware that you can interchange at will at home, perfect for a system that needs to do lots of stuff and with windows 7, as swiss correctly pointed out, also with a pretty nice OS. And you simply have a much broader choice in internal and peripha gear, as well as software options, payware and freeware. Not as streamlined as apple, but more adaptable. I have not seen one convincing arguement disproving that.

So each system has points going for it, the way I can see it both have advantages. But whatever advantage Apple has, it is eaten up by its cost and specialisation. I need a working computer, not a decoration. It's not about dissing, it is simply about ignoring the hype and see it as what it is and what you get for your money for what task.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm sorry, but Apple is better, and my opinion is based on 15 years of use of both, ranging on a wide set of applications and hardware.

Without even going into the whole OS debate, there is not one Windows based PC brand (i.e. Dell, VAIO etc..) which can deliver quality products superior to Apple one. Just to give you an example, I'm typing this thing from a Macbook Air, by far the most revolutionary laptop ever, and when I see people waving their chunky Alienware or Acer or Vaio laptops, all I can think of is "why, when you can have one of this light, thin, dependable and performing macbooks?"

The mp3 connectivity as you call it was just a mere example, and feel free to tell me about any 3d specialised hardware and software, I'm not an expert but neither totally ignorant on the subject. Even in that field, you won't find a machine that has such quality, performance and above all moddability and longevity than a Mac Pro.

I thought Jobs died a week or so??