The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[Xilon_x]

northrop Grumman, and the 'American?
at this point whether the northrop Grumman puts limitations to IL-2 Sturmovik I prohibit the sale of game in the U.S.
because in u.s.a. play whit italian airplane or german secret airplane and swastica is proibited?
mmmmmmm incredible confusion we live in the 2011 and the nation of the world are stupid and have this stupid rules.
EXAMPLE in future ALENIA AEREMACCHI proibisced the publication of macchi in the game is ridicle.

[CWMV]

You can't blame them for wanting compensation for using their creations. But if you really want these planes they are available in the mod community or are being worked on as we speak.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by CWMV

You can't blame them for wanting compensation for using their creations. But if you really want these planes they are available in the mod community or are being worked on as we speak.

Sure we can! 70 year old airplanes that the current company had no hand in designing (aside from the obvious Grumman examples) that were funded by war bonds and government money (effectively therefore in the public domain) ... should be in the public domain.

But that's an argument for lawyers

For all of the arguments about the Northrup Grumman thing there are a dozen other aircraft by manufacturers that aren't so insanely monetarily inclined.

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by IceFire

Sure we can! 70 year old airplanes that the current company had no hand in designing (aside from the obvious Grumman examples) that were funded by war bonds and government money (effectively therefore in the public domain) ... should be in the public domain.

But that's an argument for lawyers

For all of the arguments about the Northrup Grumman thing there are a dozen other aircraft by manufacturers that aren't so insanely monetarily inclined.

So...what can we do anything about it? Or do we just have to suck it u and move on???

[Xilon_x]

american northrop grumman mantein a secret of construction and production of military airplane? hahahahahahah very very stupid but this airplane are old 80 years ago not have a secret. now today any nation product another type of airplane yes 6 generation of airplane yes 6 generation stealt airpane uav and drone.
ok ok i am italian i not have a secret military this is a new italian military secret airplane.(prototype by ALENIA) SKY-X and SKY-Y.




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[JimmyBlonde]

Meh, just model them anyway and screw Grumman. If they want to be dragged through the press for irrationally bullying a poor little games company then that's their lookout.

I hope their share prices plummet, most Grumman planes were over-rated crap anyway.

[Artist]

Originally Posted by JimmyBlonde

Meh, just model them anyway and screw Grumman. If they want to be dragged through the press for irrationally bullying a poor little games company then that's their lookout.

Sorry, wrong: In this case it's 1c and Maddox Games who will be sued and will pay dearly. And AFAIK there has even a contract been signed with Grumman.

So, no way.

Apart from that: Please make a forum search on "Grumman" and you'll find that this subject pops up every now and then and always ends in: "Sorry, no way we could do this."

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Fighterace

So...what can we do anything about it? Or do we just have to suck it u and move on???

Basically.

There's no chance of their being significant political clout to strike this down at the high level and none of us are stinking rich (and I don't even live in the right country) enough to mount a legal challenge that would bring this down. They did the same thing to plastic model makers. I believe it was eventually struck down... but because there is presumably a legally binding agreement in place (I only know of it unofficially) there isn't anything to be done.

So... yep we have to suck it up and move along. It's a shame. But at least there are some other types of aircraft that we could have instead. It's not a substitute either but at least it's not a total dead end all around.

[Xilon_x]

but but icefire the airpplane for il-2 sturmovik 1946 are old 80 years ago is very very strange this legal action if i go in the american museum i loock the northrop grumman in free mode not censure not secret is very strange america is a free nation whit because attak 1c maddox for a simple copy of desine yes desine and not copy of real plane desine 3d in the game simple desine.

[IceFire]

Originally Posted by Xilon_x

but but icefire the airpplane for il-2 sturmovik 1946 are old 80 years ago is very very strange this legal action if i go in the american museum i loock the northrop grumman in free mode not censure not secret is very strange america is a free nation whit because attak 1c maddox for a simple copy of desine yes desine and not copy of real plane desine 3d in the game simple desine.

It's extreme capitalism... anything to make a buck or a few million.

I think it's completely ludicrous but I think that of a great many things