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Old 10-18-2011, 05:56 PM
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The modern forensic evidence gathered by FBI experts seems to tell that the skull bits found do not belong to a man in his late 50s.

Do you have a link to this report? And to the report which says the teeth the Russians have is not Hitler's?
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:05 PM
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Do you have a link to this report? And to the report which says the teeth the Russians have is not Hitler's?
from good ol' wiki:
"According to the Russian Federal Security Service, a fragment of human skull stored in its archives and displayed to the public in a 2000 exhibition came from Hitler's remains. However, the authenticity of the skull fragment was challenged by historians and researchers,[277] and DNA analysis conducted in 2009 showed the skull fragment to be that of a woman. Analysis of the sutures between the skull plates indicated that it belonged to a 20–40-year-old individual.[278]"

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...llet-hole.html

but anyway, if dental records of the high command were destroyed, as per Bormann's 1944 order, how could they say they recognised the rests from their teeth? Bormann's dental record themselves were reconstructed "from memory" by his former dentist to identify his remains.. really guys?
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Old 10-18-2011, 06:18 PM
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but anyway, if dental records of the high command were destroyed, as per Bormann's 1944 order, how could they say they recognised the rests from their teeth? Bormann's dental record themselves were reconstructed "from memory" by his former dentist to identify his remains.. really guys?
Most likely the records were not actually destroyed, that's how.

In any case, the idea that all the witnesses would have carried the lie of Hitler's death to their graves is completely absurd.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:40 PM
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Most likely the records were not actually destroyed, that's how.
erm, and what are you basing your assumption on?

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In any case, the idea that all the witnesses would have carried the lie of Hitler's death to their graves is completely absurd.
I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.
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Old 10-18-2011, 07:53 PM
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erm, and what are you basing your assumption on?
Because I've seen the records on 1 of the dozen or so "this is how Hitler died" history shows.

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I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.
It's not plausible because this would have been the biggest secret in modern history. It might be possible for 1 or 2 people to keep that secret, but it's not possible for everyone who would have known. The idea that Hitler could get 20+ minions to lie for him even as his closest supporters (Himmler and Goering) are stabbing him in the back is too absurd to even consider. It's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:12 PM
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Because I've seen the records on 1 of the dozen or so "this is how Hitler died" history shows.
you might have seen reports or results, it's a known fact the records were destroyed.

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It's not plausible because this would have been the biggest secret in modern history. It might be possible for 1 or 2 people to keep that secret, but it's not possible for everyone who would have known. The idea that Hitler could get 20+ minions to lie for him even as his closest supporters (Himmler and Goering) are stabbing him in the back is too absurd to even consider. It's one of the most idiotic things I have ever heard.[/QUOTE]

Really? You probably also believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy all by himself

you're just looking for another trolling occasion, I personally never cared too much for your opinions, but if you have facts that state without the shadow of a doubt that the remains the Russians allegedly found in a crater close to the bunker were indeed those of Hitler and Eva Braun, then feel free to expose them here, otherwise feel free not to share your opinions, especially if they're denigratory of other people's thoughts and generally offensive.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:18 PM
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you might have seen reports or results, it's a known fact the records were destroyed.
No, I saw x-rays. So the reports about the records being destroyed were probably exaggerated.

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Really? You probably also believe that Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy all by himself
Non sequitur.

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you're just looking for another trolling occasion,
I'm not the one making idiotic and unsupported claims about Hitler escaping from Berlin.

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I personally never cared too much for your opinions, but if you have facts that state without the shadow of a doubt that the remains the Russians allegedly found in a crater close to the bunker were indeed those of Hitler and Eva Braun, then feel free to expose them here, otherwise feel free not to share your opinions, especially if they're denigratory of other people's thoughts and generally offensive.
You're the one making the idiotic claim that Hitler may have survived, it's up to you to provide the evidence. So far you've got NOTHING.
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:01 PM
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erm, and what are you basing your assumption on?



I still don't see why it's absurd, so many people died bringing their secrets (or others') to their grave: think about all the people that work for the secret services or that were involved in illegal actions.. I really do not comprehend why it's not plausible.
Oh the conspiracy theorists! I love them, they are like those small, angry dogs that bark all the time in high pitch

At least Otto Günsche remained a convinced Nazi until his death. Don't you think he would have loved to spice the whole story a bit up, in order to mystify his Führer? Count Mohnke in, and possibly Heinz Linge.
The absurd thing is: It's not absurd in Absurdistan!
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Old 10-18-2011, 08:21 PM
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Oh the conspiracy theorists! I love them, they are like those small, angry dogs that bark all the time in high pitch

At least Otto Günsche remained a convinced Nazi until his death. Don't you think he would have loved to spice the whole story a bit up, in order to mystify his Führer? Count Mohnke in, and possibly Heinz Linge.
The absurd thing is: It's not absurd in Absurdistan!
I'm sorry, but the fact that the remains the Russians have are of Hitler are as much as a theory as the one that states he fled to Argentina. There is no forensic evidence that the remains they have are of Adolf Hitler.
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