The (Almost) Invicible Spit!

[JG52Krupi]

The spitfire used a stressed skin this means it was designed to take more loads allowing the designers to remove weight from the spars and ribs therefore it makes more sense that when it is damaged it is likely to have a big impact on it's performance and the loads it can deal with!!!

That's why this "it's only panels is completely wrong!

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

The spitfire used a stressed skin this means it was designed to take more loads allowing the designers to remove weight from the spars and ribs therefore it makes more sense that when it is damaged it is likely to have a big impact on it's performance and the loads it can deal with!!!

That's why this "it's only panels is completely wrong!

I hear what you are saying Krupi, but the 'problems' are in fact universal....So I think your thread title may have been a wee bit 'incendiary' (I know you're a big 109 fan....so am I lol).

Observe.......



Trust me mate, this is taken from a track, and believe me he was flying along like this merrily for a good 5 minutes at least.

Whilst I agree that performance should perhaps be more affected (I recall there is some lift degredation? Could be wrong on that) I have also seen RL photos of aircraft landing and manoeuvring in far worse conditions. I actually think the CoD damage model is by far one of its strongest points. On another day, the 109 you were fighting could have easily buggered your aileron control cables....I think you got lucky and the damage looks worse than it actually is.

I've shot down sh*t loads of planes in CoD (screenie or it didn't happen, I know lol) primarily 109's



and by and large I have found it to be one of the more realistic elements. Very few 'Hollywood' style catastrophic explosions, kills etc (particularly with .303's, which I love) and this tallies far more with many RL accounts I've read. From the 500 plus 109's alone I've bagged, I think I've only sawed off a whole wing maybe 10-15 times. Good stuff.

Have any of you ran that script which tells you what damage has been inflicted on the enemy? Some may be thinking 'he hasn't got a scratch', when in fact he is completely fecked internally and its game over for him.

As for the Oerlikon being ineffective or less effective than IRL, I disagree. Sometimes you'd be amazed at how much you are actually missing when you think you are hitting......its pretty difficult to do (especially without the stabilising influence of airspeed.)

109 cannons are fecking lethal (both stock E3 and E4), if you try not to be a sniper and only fire when you're sure you'll hit (ala Hartmann). This generally means up close. The odd Snap shot is fine, but get in close and let em have it is the order of the day methinks.

But aye Krupi, there is room for improvement no doubt, although I'm not going to gripe too much at present because I feel its one of the stronger points. Hopefully the FM revisions and physics will play a part in making life more difficult with this kind of damage. Point I'm making is that it goes both ways. If you can tell me how to upload a track ( I have a media fire account) I'll show you me landing a 109 perfectly with part of the wing missing, no left aileron, numerous internal damages and having little bother.

Cheers.

[JG52Krupi]

Yes that 109 is not good but I have never recieved that damage from a red aircraft only flak the damage I was given in the spit was from another aircraft...

And as I explained in my last post due to the design of the spits stressed skins damage that creates a gaping hole in both sides would cause a hell of a lot of problems.

P.S. I love both the 109 and the spit, I was seriously considering jumping to a red squad a few months back (the dream of flying a 190 again stopped me) so you won't find any bias here I have been bit**ing about the 109 fm/dm for quite some time.

[Ze-Jamz]

If that was indeed the instance where your attacker was me then Il say one thing..fair play being able to do some of those moves infront of me if your wings looked like that,,lol

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

If that was indeed the instance where your attacker was me then Il say one thing..fair play being able to do some of those moves infront of me if your wings looked like that,,lol

Lol yes mate I forgot it was you that smacked me haha, u were in an e4 right?

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Lol yes mate I forgot it was you that smacked me haha, u were in an e4 right?

No mate..e-1

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

No mate..e-1

Really!!!!! Now that is interesting...

[klem]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

The spitfire used a stressed skin this means it was designed to take more loads allowing the designers to remove weight from the spars and ribs therefore it makes more sense that when it is damaged it is likely to have a big impact on it's performance and the loads it can deal with!!!

That's why this "it's only panels is completely wrong!

Was that for me krupi? If so I think I haven't explained properly. With some panels missing the rest of the wing would still generate some lift, it doesn't necessarily mean it will fall out of the sky and of course it would be structurally weakened as it is a stressed skin construction. It may not get you home depending on the loss of lift and it would be ridiculous to think you could survive an attempt to dogfight in it but some Spitfires did get home with quite a lot of damage (not as good as the Hurri though).

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by klem

Was that for me krupi? If so I think I haven't explained properly. With some panels missing the rest of the wing would still generate some lift, it doesn't necessarily mean it will fall out of the sky and of course it would be structurally weakened as it is a stressed skin construction. It may not get you home depending on the loss of lift and it would be ridiculous to think you could survive an attempt to dogfight in it but some Spitfires did get home with quite a lot of damage (not as good as the Hurri though).

Thats cause Hurris were design with fabric covered wings and then later replaced with metalic covers... not sure if they were stressed covers... I shot the wing tip of a hurri off last night and I am sure he managed to get home

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by JG52Krupi

Thats cause Hurris were design with fabric covered wings and then later replaced with metalic covers... not sure if they were stressed covers... I shot the wing tip of a hurri off last night and I am sure he managed to get home

Yeah it's not really difficult to land with half a wing gone in a Hurri. I even had a perfect symmetric landing flap, full hydraulics etc... !