Spit IIa

[SEE]

How do you know he is a bad pilot? How would you react if you were told that you were a bad pilot because you cannot deal with a Spit Mk2? Pretty sure you would jump on the FM differences and state your case based on evidence but be a tad annoyed that someone simply tells you to fly better.

The current Spit Mk1a is not right in its specification or its FM. If people are discussing these issues then it is more constructive to debate them rather than impy posters are incompetent. It makes posters feel that their opinion is worthless on a baseless assumption. Piloting skills arguments are valid but not always helpful when used almost as an insult - hopefully you didn't mean to imply it in that sense.

The Clod Spit Mk1a is very capable at altitude and handles beautifully but the Bfs have had a lot of goodies in previous patches. Spit Mk1 jockeys are still stuck with a 'Boost Cut Out' that does nothing, a top speed of 245mph, a two speed prop and debatable Neg G modelling.

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by SEE

How do you know he is a bad pilot? How would you react if you were told that you were a bad pilot because you cannot deal with a Spit Mk2? Pretty sure you would jump on the FM differences and state your case based on evidence but be a tad annoyed that someone simply tells you to fly better.

The current Spit Mk1a is not right in its specification or its FM. If people are discussing these issues then it is more constructive to debate them rather than impy posters are incompetent. It makes posters feel that their opinion is worthless on a baseless assumption.

The Clod Spit Mk1a is very capable at altitude and handles beautifully but the Bfs have had a lot of goodies in previous patches. Spit Mk1 jockeys are still stuck with a 'Boost Cut Out' that does nothing, a top speed of 245mph, a two speed prop and debatable Neg G modelling.

Id respond by posting a graph showing the under-modeled nature of the 109E-4.
Wait a minute...

And I agree that EVERYTHING in the game needs to have its FM reworked, including the current inaccurate Spits.

I don't know him or his abilities, whats more is that without something to back his opinion its pointless.
I mean how many times have we seen this in the past with IL2?
"Aircraft A is over-modeled because when I'm flying aircraft B it shoots me down every time!"
....

Really though, what worth is an opinion if you don't have any data to base it off of?

Trying to base the truth of an FM off of "Well it cant be right because I cant shoot them down in game" is ludicrous.
Saying that an aircraft is under-modeled in regard to a certain aspect (say 109E's top speed?) and then posting technical information showing the difference from the accepted in game performance of that aircraft is another thing entirely.

Now I did ask him to post his evidence, or something at all that backs his claim because were after the truth here, right?

And I have to admit I took a short temper with him because of his other "The 109 is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO uber!" threads. its just annoying.
Sorry for any offense, none intended.

[SEE]

It's Ok bud, I get a bit defensive regards the Spit v BF arguments, so apolgies if I over reacted to your post. I am sure you meant well.....

[CWMV]

I do the same, trust me.
I think both of our favorite aircraft need new FM's!

[David198502]

...yes as realistic as possible please,...and please do not tweak them in unrealisic manners just to ensure online balance!!
make them as they were, with all their advantages and drawbacks, its supposed to be a SIM!

[TomcatViP]

Guys are you even reading the charts IvanK hve just posted ? Those are great stuff and real dynamite.

Before complaining abt the lack of boost on the spit pls do start to question yourself about how the Spit is turning (indefinitely level) in game and hold E.

Regarding the neg G cut-out, I think it has been extensively debated to the point that it s rather insulting to read that it has not been modeled in a real (and honest ) manner.

Damn, we even hve a video of a latter model itching the camera while flying upside down: : pump up the volume and L.I.S.T.E.N by yourself !

[SEE]

Tomcat, I stated the Neg G is 'debatable' which means it may be correct or it may be incorrect - hence the discussion. The other aspects of FM I pointed out with the Mk1 are incorrect for that model/timeperiod and, on many servers,
the only Spit in the Plane set.

You seem to have an issue with the Spit, that's OK, some posters have issues with the BFs but that's not OK?

Read my post....(the Spit Mk1 is very capable at altitude and handles beautifully) I do not feel at a disadvantage against any of the BF's even with its current modelling but that does not mean it is correct either. The Boost data for the Spit Mk1 has been extracted from the FM file....it adds 0.002 Ibs/sq ...are you seriousley telling me that is correct or a signicant figure?

+1 to David198502 last post.