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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 10-12-2011, 10:18 PM
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The distortion, how can anyone put up with it?

I enjoy the cockpits and graphics for the depth of my involvement in the simulation. I realize enlarged POV may help see more, but it doesn't mate up with the way I like to enjoy air combat simulation.

So, yeah... I just go with the most realistic visuals all the time, and workaround the lack of peripheral vision and such.
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:20 PM
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The distortion, how can anyone put up with it?

I enjoy the cockpits and graphics for the depth of my involvement in the simulation. I realize enlarged POV may help see more, but it doesn't mate up with the way I like to enjoy air combat simulation.

So, yeah... I just go with the most realistic visuals all the time, and workaround the lack of peripheral vision and such.
What do you mean by distortion, what would need to be changed to get it looking like you want dude?
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Old 10-12-2011, 10:36 PM
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aa and correct fm's all the way to service ceiling.

everything else can wait imo.
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:42 AM
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This is a very long thread and I have not read it all...so I hope I'm not repeating an idea.

But, I would LOVE any, and all, of the effort that the team will put into the "AI". And "off line" play...

I could make a long list of behavior that I would love to see the "AI" exhibit, but the bottom line is...I would love to be surprised by the "AI". I would love to have the "AI" behave in unpredictable (sometimes), and yet understandable ways. People have already commented on improving the mechanics of "AI" flight...some feel that the "Sturmovik 1946" "AI" is smoother.

I'm intrigued by the idea of, "AI" that can "learn" from its opponent. Imagine flying against "AI" pilots that remember you...and (maybe) remember your favorite tactics.
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Old 10-13-2011, 04:07 AM
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After making the game look and sound great, the real flight simulation and immersion comes from the way the combat is simulated. The dev team really needs to fine tune this aspect you feel like you are flying against a person rather than a robot on acid and red bull.
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Old 10-13-2011, 06:57 AM
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I agree with the above.

Would it be too much to ask for an AI that abides by the laws of physics? Now the game might as well be called "Spitfires vs Aliens", or "Messerschmitts vs Aliens".

That would be the first step towards an enjoyable single player mode.

2) make radio commands work.

3) add some content. a dynamic campaign and/ or a more complex mission builder.
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Old 10-13-2011, 07:04 AM
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The distortion, how can anyone put up with it?

I enjoy the cockpits and graphics for the depth of my involvement in the simulation. I realize enlarged POV may help see more, but it doesn't mate up with the way I like to enjoy air combat simulation.

So, yeah... I just go with the most realistic visuals all the time, and workaround the lack of peripheral vision and such.
what is the most realistic FOV in your view?
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Old 10-14-2011, 06:48 AM
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Oh, another thing about the AI. When they don't start to roll liek an Xwing, they fly straight and hit their imaginary airbrakes. They accelerate and deccelerate like UFOs. Bwah..
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Old 10-14-2011, 03:46 PM
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All of us who have been around for awhile and flown online realize that people do have patterns of behavior that occurs in air combat regularly.

There are just things you learn from your experience that can be programmed into AI performance. Probability hasn't been discussed much, but human behavior can be predicted in many air combat situations with high probability.

An example might be you are low and see a fast moving enemy dropping on you from above onto your 90. You know when he starts to pull up out of this dive your best course of action may be to nose down pulling towards him, but definitely not to pull up going away. These kinds of behavior can be programmed, but a probability of what the low pilot will actually do should be considered. Panic or pressure of the engagement may actually convert to the absolute worst thing to do or the smart thing to do.

I realize most AI performance is based on pilot experience, but still the best most experienced pilots made mistakes. Probability calculations should be part of the AI performance.

Programming AI is difficult. It cannot be ignored... just like in baseball, the probability statistics do mean something. Psychologists have studied proability as it relates to human behavior for years, and it is an ongoing study. No, the extremes and radicalized parts of behavior may not be determined by probability... but for most of us grunts in the world the statistics are pretty well on target.

I'm not trying to throw something new into the mix. The AI performance for a COD will take time and testing to arrive at a passable performance, that most of us can accept.

As it is now... the arcade is open

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Programming AI is difficult ?? yes .. but what were pilots taught to do during a dog-fight? if they were novice .. stick to leader like glue! .. never fly straight for more than <x> seconds in the battle zone .. avoid battle etc

Average Pilots

Spit & Hurricane pilots Attacked 6 oclock - strong bank left or right
109 pilots attacked 6 oclock - nose over, DIVE!
110 pilots attacked 6 oclock - nose over, dive ?? defensive circle?
Defiant pilots attacked 6 oclock low - bank left or right, give gunner view below
Bombers attacked 6 oclock - steady course, slight climb / falls (this is already being done), yaw tail to allow gunners full view (?)

Veteran / ace pilots

Would have their own specialisd tactics that they found work ,as you stated.

The above would make the game realistic.
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