Spit IIa

[Ze-Jamz]

Here we go again...done and done and done to death

Please OP use the search function m8 your find all the info you need because as you can see this thread will now turn into a flame war on whos right and whos wrong

[David198502]

i just made another test with the E1.
i really focused that i stay in real level flight without loosing or gaining alt.
first test was at 3k:i stayed for ten minutes at 3k as close as i could get, only variying about +/-5meters in height.
the E1 reached its max speed at 440-445kph without WEP.

second test at 500m:again for ten minutes as close as possible in level flight.
max speed at 450-455kph

so that the E1 is faster at low alt which shouldnt be the case.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by David198502

i just made another test with the E1.
i really focused that i stay in real level flight without loosing or gaining alt.
first test was at 3k:i stayed for ten minutes at 3k as close as i could get, only variying about +/-5meters in height.
the E1 reached its max speed at 440-445kph without WEP.

second test at 500m:again for ten minutes as close as possible in level flight.
max speed at 450-455kph

so that the E1 is faster at low alt which shouldnt be the case.

IAS to TAS.

top speeds are measured in TAS, are you going by the instruments in the cockpit, if so, you've got IAS

at SL IAS and TAS are roughly equal depending in atmospheric pressure, at 3K TAS will be higher than IAS.

PS, i love how all the Blues are going on about how the 109 is nerfed, don't see much mention of the spit1 and 1a from the same folks, despite them being even more nerfed, lol. Give the spit1a is proper prop, its a bob sim not battle of france.

See june 25 entry.

[David198502]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

IAS to TAS.

top speeds are measured in TAS, are you going by the instruments in the cockpit, if so, you've got IAS

at SL IAS and TAS are roughly equal depending in atmospheric pressure, at 3K TAS will be higher than IAS.

PS, i love how all the Blues are going on about how the 109 is nerfed, don't see much mention of the spit1 and 1a from the same folks, despite them being even more nerfed, lol.

yes i measure by the instruments, cause i dont know another way in this game.
well i only fly "blue" planes in this game, so i dont really know how to fly a spit or the hurri correctly, therefore the outcome wouldnt reflect the reality of the game.but why dont you do it by yourself and let us know the result.

btw i never stated that the other planes are modeled correctly.if you read my post on the last page, you would know that im of the opinion that all planes except the spitII are undermodeled.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by David198502

yes i measure by the instruments, cause i dont know another way in this game.

btw i never stated that the other planes are modeled correctly.if you read my post on the last page, you would know that im of the opinion that all planes except the spitII are undermodeled.

i wasn't talking about you mate.

Don't know if its the same as in il2, cause i've never flown with cockpit off in Clod, but in the old il2 flying wonderwomen use to give you a TAS readout.

for the record i fly both sides evenly, cause i don't see the point in depriving myself half the game. never understood that mentality, but thats me.

[David198502]

dont know either because of the same reason.
Edit:
well i tried both sides in 1946, and began flying with spits.
i played with the spitIX 25lbs and became successful pretty fast...until someone said that this plane is a "noobplane" which is extremely overmodeled and a kill therefore is nothing to be proud of.
so i decided to try the "dark" side.i realised really fast that it was almost impossible to fight that plane in a g2, but although i got killed many many times, when i actually killed someone in this spit, the kill was really rewarding...so i stayed in the g2 whenever it was available and tried to learn the ropes of it.
i began to love this plane and the way you have to fight with it.

as cliffs of dover was released i expected accurate flightmodels and therefore really hard fights with those different planes of both sides, but supposedly pretty equally dangerous.so i decided to stay on the dark side and learn all the tactics which lead to success against the beautiful british planes.
unfortunately all the planes are undermodeled...except the spitII
and they arent undermodeled equally....the spitI is slower than the hurri which is really strange.

[fruitbat]

pah, i love the 109 up to and including the f4 (my fav ride in il2), then its Fw190 all the way for the dark side, lol!

although that siad, i do have a soft spot for the G10.

anyway re Clod, I agree that all of the fighters to some degree are undermodelled except the SpitII, and would like to see this rectified.

at the moment its the Spit MkI thats the most undermodelled imo, save for Dunkirk the 2 stage pitch is just plain wrong, and then there's the boost/fuel.....

Anyway, i guess we should all wait to see what 1c do, as has been pointed out that they are aware of the situation.

I want them to all be modelled correctly (both sides), and it should then be a really close match for either side where the pilot will determine the result, not pure plane advantage.

Trouble is, some will never be quite satisfied, because there are reports for both sides that are slightly out of the ordinary that people will cherry pick to push there own agenda.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by David198502

dont know either because of the same reason.
Edit:
well i tried both sides in 1946, and began flying with spits.
i played with the spitIX 25lbs and became successful pretty fast...until someone said that this plane is a "noobplane" which is extremely overmodeled and a kill therefore is nothing to be proud of.
so i decided to try the "dark" side.i realised really fast that it was almost impossible to fight that plane in a g2, but although i got killed many many times, when i actually killed someone in this spit, the kill was really rewarding...so i stayed in the g2 whenever it was available and tried to learn the ropes of it.
i began to love this plane and the way you have to fight with it.

as cliffs of dover was released i expected accurate flightmodels and therefore really hard fights with those different planes of both sides, but supposedly pretty equally dangerous.so i decided to stay on the dark side and learn all the tactics which lead to success against the beautiful british planes.
unfortunately all the planes are undermodeled...except the spitII
and they arent undermodeled equally....the spitI is slower than the hurri which is really strange.

G2 is an awesome plane is Il2 m8

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by fruitbat

i wasn't talking about you mate.

Don't know if its the same as in il2, cause i've never flown with cockpit off in Clod, but in the old il2 flying wonderwomen use to give you a TAS readout.

for the record i fly both sides evenly, cause i don't see the point in depriving myself half the game. never understood that mentality, but thats me.

Truely Id like to see them all modeled correctly. No point in a sim if they aren't!

Have you got a good IAS to TAS converter link? On the phone now, cant search...

Kudos to you on flying both sides, I'm simply not interested in any British aircraft prior to the tempest.

[Whiski]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Here we go again...done and done and done to death

Please OP use the search function m8 your find all the info you need because as you can see this thread will now turn into a flame war on whos right and whos wrong

I am the original poster, and if you had read this thread carefully, you would have noticed I asked for factual, documented information regarding this issue for comparison, the search function did not provide such information (as stated before as well) just opinions and virtual simulation experiences. Now, this thread contains some great documentation to back up performance issues for all a/c within the game (from various sources).

I did not ask for a flame war, fact only backed up with information. A flame war would be beyond my control and request.

Whiskey