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[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by robtek

even in RL it is not that easy to do a really smooth landing with a cessna 150 or a pa28 if
you are not a regular flyer.
Those simulated warbirds dont have that easy handling like those planes.
and last but not least : feedback, flying by the seat of your pants, those slight indications when the airflow leaves the wings are missing.
those missing things can only be replaced by training, training and more training.

The thing is, I am a regular flier. I fly for hours a day in real life. It doesn't matter how slow you come in and how you flare and let it sink in slowly. The second your gear gently touches down, you BALLOON up in the air. It's off and is too touchy in here. Also, there should be a huge difference in landing on grass and concrete runways. Any landing other than a burn in should be nice and smooth on grass.

[Robert]

Realistic or not. Broken or bad flying. No matter what the cause it's not going to be corrected. IL2 is done.

[BadAim]

The biggest complaints I hear from pilots of actual aircraft (when flying IL2) is the lack of tactile feedback and the feeling of the weight of the aircraft, the former is a long way off to resolution, lets hope the latter is better done in SOW. But I do aggree that practice is the best medicine.

[Abbeville-Boy]

if you have a bounce it means that your flare off timing, altitude, is off a bit, practice will cure that

[Therion_Prime]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

The thing is, I am a regular flier. I fly for hours a day in real life. It doesn't matter how slow you come in and how you flare and let it sink in slowly. The second your gear gently touches down, you BALLOON up in the air. It's off and is too touchy in here. Also, there should be a huge difference in landing on grass and concrete runways. Any landing other than a burn in should be nice and smooth on grass.

I'd guess that modern aircraft have way better suspensions?

[Bearcat]

Hey Sniper... just curious... is there another sim out that you think gets that aspect of the FMs better than this one? Whats your take on the FSX FMs.

[Bobb4]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

The thing is, I am a regular flier. I fly for hours a day in real life. It doesn't matter how slow you come in and how you flare and let it sink in slowly. The second your gear gently touches down, you BALLOON up in the air. It's off and is too touchy in here. Also, there should be a huge difference in landing on grass and concrete runways. Any landing other than a burn in should be nice and smooth on grass.

I stand under correction but I do not think Il2 models any difference between a grass strip, a concrete or metal one (carrier).

I find most landings are smooth, excepth those where the enemy has removed one or both of my wings lol

[Rama]

@Sniper
I agree that IL2 FMs makes the plane difficult to land "as per the manual". If you respect the final speed and landing speed as written in the plane manual, then your vertical speed in IL2 is a bit to high, and you will bump on touch, except if you pull hard to round your trajectory at the right moment (which is quite hard to do in the sim... since it's hard to judge the precise hight above runway).
Now if you forget the real plane manual... since the runways are quite long, you can use higher final speed (around 20 Km/h) than the manual numbers, with a flatter slope (less than 5%)... in the sim in allows you to achieve a smooth landing without bumps most of the time (at the cost of longuer run before stopping... but it doesn't matter in the sim).

[WWTaco]

Power controls pitch and Elevator controls airspeed.

hey where's the ground effect?

S!

[334th_Gazoo0]

Originally Posted by WWTaco

Power controls pitch and Elevator controls airspeed.

hey where's the ground effect?

S!

I agree Taco. Try a flatter, moderately faster approach, at about 1/4 throttle. Then use the throttle to control altitude. Don't cut throttle until you are on the ground.
This seems to make greasing in the landings possible. A proper full stall landing is very difficult to judge in this simulation or any other, due to the point of view and tactile limitations. I believe suspension effects may be modeled in SOW BOB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9OWQ55n8ig

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