Why does luthier even bother?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Trooper117

Don't worry about it mate, we all get frustrated with the game at times..

True

Originally Posted by Trooper117

some people have made it their mission to belittle anyone who doesn't have the same view as themselves.. it's the norm in just about any forum you care to visit.

Nope, it has nothing to do with a difference in views/opinions

It has everything to do with the definition of the word 'beta' and the responsibilities that come with testing beta software

Originally Posted by Trooper117

Get them face to face for a conversation on the same subject and they wouldn't say things in quite the same way I assure you.

Maybe for some, but at 6'4" at 240lbs I have never had any problem telling anyone what I think face to face

[Trooper117]

And there you have it,.. I took on people of the same stature during P company milling.. .. didn't stop me reminding them size and bulk isn't everything when I gave them a flippin good pasting.. They looked a little different after.. lol!

[RCAF_FB_Orville]

This is why we 'make waves'. This is why we care. Violently, and if need be, in extremis.

[zwiebacksaege]

don't be too sure that most of the people agree in boot-licking the devs for every single feature they give us half a year after paying for it.
and i'm not claiming anything I just wish the devs are working as intense on the game as you cry about critic.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

don't be too sure that most of the people agree in boot-licking the devs for every single feature they give us half a year after paying for it.

Boot Licking?

So let me see if I understand you correctly..

You didn't understand the meaning of word 'beta'..

And the community pointed that out to you in their reply back to you..

Your claiming that those who tried to help 'you' are part of some sort of 1C conspiracy and/or boot lickers?

Is that what you want us to belive?

Instead of just admitting you didn't understand the meaning of the word 'beta'

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

and i'm not claiming anything I just wish the devs are working as intense on the game as you cry about critic.

Implying or claiming.. take your pick

[zwiebacksaege]

again i'm not claiming anything as you always want to believe. I just want to give the hint not to be too sure that most of the people who bought this game are satisfied the way it develops. You seem to know that most of them do because of 2 or 3 posts.

so now that you explained the word beta so fine to me... you may also tell me why it wasn't in big letters on my collectors edition?

[Trooper117]

Bingo!

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

again i'm not claiming anything as you always want to believe.

Implying or claiming.. take your pick

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

I just want to give the hint not to be too sure that most of the people who bought this game are satisfied the way it develops.

Based on your record thus far.. I can understand why you would want to retreat from your earlier claims to this above

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

You seem to know that most of them do because of 2 or 3 posts.

Nope

Not based on two post, based on my experience that most (read adults) understand what 'beta' means

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

so now that you explained the word beta so fine to me... you may also tell me why it wasn't in big letters on my collectors edition?

Looks like you need it explained to you further.. because based on what you just said you still don't get it

[philip.ed]

The fact is that a patch is usually indicative of progress; improving what is already tangible and playable. In this case, as far as development goes, the team are using this forum as their testing area, and with this in mind, we can't expect progress at any stages. Certainly we can expect to see the game expanded, but whether this expansion is of a high standard is questionable.
Take the landscape colours: Beta 1 was a brilliant step to a fairly accurate representation of England, and Beta 2 is completely reactionary. That is not progress. Is it a patch? The change carries the word patch, but it's not an improvement. And the word patch is usually metaphorical for fixing something.
The lighting has been 'patched', the sounds patched. The cockpits? Well, Beta 1 degraded perfect work, and Beta 2 has pretty much ruined it.

But wait! The word Beta solves everything No, it doesn't. Issues are expected with development, a patch won't always improve the game, a Beta patch even more so, and both may throw up unexpeted problems; but at no stage is it expected that a patch will undo brilliant work. Beta or no beta, the title for that kind of 'destruction' is irrelevent. And my post can be deconstructed as many times by Aces-of-Aces, his work will be irrelevent to the fundamentals of what a Beta is. If we are viewing the Beta as a testing area for changes, then yes, it could be applied here, but is that the case? Has Luthier stated that they are trying out some new colours, and asked us what we think? Has he asked people who actually live in Blighty to post their constructive opinions, or asked the experts among us like fruitbat? No, he hasn't. In this case, this is a change made. For someone who views the change as improvement, it may be viewed as a patch, but as someone who has flown over England many times, as far as terrain colours go this is a major step backwards. Not a patch. And don't even get me started about the cockpits. Is removing the beautiful reflections in the gauges patching the game? God no! Even at beta stage, one would expect a 'patch' to add to the game. Not take away!

Enough from me, just my 2P. We are testing Beta software, and there-in lies why some will post their truthful opinion: to see the game actually improved.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Boot Licking?


And the community pointed that out to you in their reply back to you..

A few members...hardly the community, unless we really are being narrow minded here?

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by philip.ed

The fact is that a patch is usually indicative of progress; improving what is already tangible and playable. In this case, as far as development goes, the team are using this forum as their testing area, and with this in mind, we can't expect progress at any stages. Certainly we can expect to see the game expanded, but whether this expansion is of a high standard is questionable.
Take the landscape colours: Beta 1 was a brilliant step to a fairly accurate representation of England, and Beta 2 is completely reactionary. That is not progress. Is it a patch? The change carries the word patch, but it's not an improvement. And the word patch is usually metaphorical for fixing something.
The lighting has been 'patched', the sounds patched. The cockpits? Well, Beta 1 degraded perfect work, and Beta 2 has pretty much ruined it.

But wait! The word Beta solves everything No, it doesn't. Issues are expected with development, a patch won't always improve the game, a Beta patch even more so, and both may throw up unexpeted problems; but at no stage is it expected that a patch will undo brilliant work. Beta or no beta, the title for that kind of 'destruction' is irrelevent. And my post can be deconstructed as many times by Aces-of-Aces, his work will be irrelevent to the fundamentals of what a Beta is. If we are viewing the Beta as a testing area for changes, then yes, it could be applied here, but is that the case? Has Luthier stated that they are trying out some new colours, and asked us what we think? Has he asked people who actually live in Blighty to post their constructive opinions, or asked the experts among us like fruitbat? No, he hasn't. In this case, this is a change made. For someone who views the change as improvement, it may be viewed as a patch, but as someone who has flown over England many times, as far as terrain colours go this is a major step backwards. Not a patch. And don't even get me started about the cockpits. Is removing the beautiful reflections in the gauges patching the game? God no! Even at beta stage, one would expect a 'patch' to add to the game. Not take away!

Enough from me, just my 2P. We are testing Beta software, and there-in lies why some will post their truthful opinion: to see the game actually improved.

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