Daidalos Team's Room -QUESTIONS AND REQUESTS ONLY - For 4.11

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by Romanator21

I don't think the models are franken-planes, but I haven't seen the cockpits. I do hope they decide to contact DT if that's the case!

He-219A-2: By Checkyersix and Ranwers. Originally a frankenplane, subsequently it got its own 3d model. Cockpit is original and looks very good, but no bordfunker/radar operator station.

Mosquito MkII Nightfighter: By SAS~GJE52. model is IL2 stock with slight 3d improvements to wheels and spinners, plus the obvious radar antennas and a new default skin. Cockpit is IL2 stock with no radar operator station.

PZL P.37B Los: By Ranwers. Original 3d model, cockpit and gunners stations. Interior looks very good, except for the top gunner position which has a few minor 3d issues when you look into the fuselage interior.

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Other mods that look pretty good:

A-20 Boston MkIII Strafer: Unkown modder. Minor external reworking of stock IL2 model. Stock cockpit.

A-20G: Aviator Mod Team. Tweak of stock IL2 3d model, new engines and loadouts.

Ar-234B Nachtjaeger: Unkown modder. Minor external reworking of stock IL2 model. Stock cockpit.

Ar-234C-2: Unkown modder. Minor external reworking of stock IL2 model. Stock cockpit.

B-29 "Silverplate": Oceanic Wing. Reworking of stock IL2 3d model. Exterior model and atomic ordinance looks good. Cockpit is a bit crude, gunner stations are franken.

Beaufighter MkIC: Unkown modder. Rework of stock IL2 Beaufighter MkIB model. Gunners position interior is franken.

Beaufighter MkX: Unkown modder. Ditto.

Bell 47 Iroqouis Helicopter: SAS_Sani. New 3d model, interior and cockpit. Looks good, flies well. Might be off-limits as an official plane due to contract with 1C.

Bf109B-D series: Japancat, SAS_Cirx: Reworking of stock IL2 Bf-109E-4 3d model. Stock cockpit. External model looks good.

Blenhein MkIF & MkIVF: Unknown. Reworking of stock IL2 Blenheim 3d model. Cockpit and gunner stations look to be franken and are fairly crude.

D4Y3 JUDY: ten010. Beautiful 3d model.

Fi-156: Fully modeled cockpit and crew station. Crew station looks a bit primitive and has some 3d issues, but the instrument panel and pilot station looks good.

FW-189: Fully modeled interior. Instrument panel looks good, the rest of the cockpit and interior looks a bit amateurish, rear gunner station not modeled. Still, it might save some work to use the existing modded interior as a starting point.

Hurricane MkI Rotol prop: Rework of stock Hurricane MkI 3d model. Stock cockpit.

Hurricane MkIII & IV: Ditto. In SAS "Dark Blue World" mod pack, sand filters only appear on desert maps, saving plane slots.

J7W1: Kodama. Original 3d model and cockpit. Looks good inside and out.

Ju-87C: Aviator Mod Team. Tweaks to stock IL2 Ju-87 model. Stock cockpit and gunner station.

Ju-52: Unknown modder (Ranwers?). New cockpit. Instrument panel looks good, but interior has some minor texture problems.

Ki-44. Japancat &/or Tainan Kosho mod team. Original 3d model and cockpit. Very nice!

Ki-46-III-Kai: Unknown modder. Cockpit, looks good but might be franken.

Ki-98: Kodama. Good exterior model.

L-5 Sentinel: Unknown modder. Original 3d model and interior. Only pilot station modeled, but looks good.

Me-210 (including Zestorer): Original 3d model, cockpit and interior. Gunner station not modeled and not player-operable.

Me-262B-1a Nachtjaeger: Reworking of stock IL2 mesh. Stock cockpit and pilot station, fully-modeled bordfunker/radar operator station station, but radar screen doesn't work.

Me-410 series (including Nachtjaeger model): Original 3d model, cockpit and interior. Gunner station not modeled, player operable only in gunsight mode.

Miles Magister: Oceanic Wing Mod team. New 3d model and cockpit. Only front seat cockpit modeled.

Mosquito FB MkXXVIII Tse-Tse: Unknown modder. Reworking of stock IL2 3d mesh. Stock cockpit.

Mustang MkI: Aviator Mod Team. Rework of stock P-51B 3d model. Stock cockpit.

MXY-11 Ohka: Oceanic Wing Mod Team: Reworking of stock IL2 3d model.

P-26 Peashooter: Deutschmark. Original 3d model. Cockpit franken.

P-38E & F series: Gibbage. Reworking of stock IL2 3d model. Stock cockpit.

P-38H Droop Snoot: Unknown Modder. Reworking of stock IL2 3d model. Stock cockpit. Franken bombardier station.

P-47N: 101tfs. Reworking of stock IL2 3d model. Stock cockpit. External model looks good.

P-51A: Aviator Mod Team. Rework of stock P-51B 3d model. Stock cockpit. A-36 Apache was promised but hasn't seen the light of day yet.

PZL P.24B: Ranwers: Original 3d model, cockpit and interior. Interior might need a tiny bit of cosmetic work, otherwise excellent.

PZL P.42: Ranwers. Ditto.

Sikorsky UH-19D/HRS3 Helicopter: SAS_Sani. Original 3d model & cockpit. Looks good, flies well.

Spitfire Griffon Engine Series (e.g., MkXIV): Unknown modders. LOTS of variants of this one. Tweak of stock IL2 3d mesh. Stock cockpits.

Spitfire PR.XIX: Tweak of stock IL2 3d mesh. Stock cockpit.

Su-26: Aviaskins? Original 3d model and cockpit. Exterior looks good, cockpit is fairly crude.

R.XIIID: Ranwers. Original 3d model, cockpit and interior. Interior might need a tiny bit of cosmetic work, otherwise excellent.

RWD-8: Ranwers. Original 3d model and cockpit. Observer/student pilot/passenger station not modeled. Looks good otherwise.

RWD-10: Ranwers. Original 3d model and cockpit. Excellent.

U-2 variants (night bomber, trainer, ShVAK rear gun): Unknown modder. Reworking of stock IL2 3d model, changing or eliminating rear gun and altering position of rear cockpit figure. Fully modeled interior, both cockpits/gunner stations. Looks good.

UTI-4: Uknown modder (Aviaskins?). Reworking of stock IL2 I-16 mesh. Rear cockpit is just duplicated version of front cockpit.

Yak-7UTI: Reworking of stock IL2 Yak-7 model. Reworked cockpit. Rear cockpit is just duplicated version of the front cockpit.

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This list ignores the ridiculous number of A6M, Bf-109, FW-190, I-53, I-16, Ki-61, Ki-84, Lagg-3, La-5, La-7, N1K, P-38, P-39, P-40, Spitfire, Hurricane and Yak series mods which are basically nothing more than loadout and FM tweaks.

It also ignores announced projects which haven't yet been made public, such as the B7A, J4M, Ki-83 (http://damawo.blog99.fc2.com/), the Whirlwind, Boomerang, Vampire, Fury/Nimrod (http://www.oceanicwing.com/il2_projects.html) and the Foche-Angelis FA-223 (another one of Sani's projects, but it appears that the Youtube video of its flight test has vanished),

And that's JUST aircraft.

Honestly, I wish that TD team members wouldn't be so coy about asking for content. If you're a TD member and you see a mod that looks like it's up to TD standards, why don't you ASK the creator if you can incorporate it into a future patch. Better yet, load up UP or DBW, choose the content you like and shamelessly steal it.

At this point, mod packs such as UP, HSFX5 and SAS UP/DBW just beat stock IL2 hollow in terms of content and creativity, if not overall overall quality. Yes, there are some really ugly "frankenplane" cockpits and interiors to make every plane in the game flyable, some not so great original models (He-51, He-45), and some "frankenplanes" which technically not up to scratch, even if they look good (Battle, Halifax, Tiger Moth, Typhoon), but the modded game allows you to fly just about every theater of war from 1936-1956, the AI is challenging and the effects look great.

[SaQSoN]

Originally Posted by Pursuivant

If you're a TD member and you see a mod that looks like it's up to TD standards, why don't you ASK the creator if you can incorporate it into a future patch.

This is exactly, what DT does. This also explains, why most of the mods do not draw DT's attention.

PS To my knowledge, PZL P.37B Los, R.XIIID, RWD-8, RWD-10 models were built by a guy with a nick name Loku, not Ranwers, who seem to be unfamiliar with 3D programs and does creepy frankenplanes only.

[Pursuivant]

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

This is exactly, what DT does. This also explains, why most of the mods do not draw DT's attention.

I'm glad to hear this. Pity that so many of the mods on my list don't measure up for whatever reason. I can see them not being ready to go into the game immediately, but it seems like it would be a huge time savings to work with what's already there.

Originally Posted by SaQSoN

PS To my knowledge, PZL P.37B Los, R.XIIID, RWD-8, RWD-10 models were built by a guy with a nick name Loku, not Ranwers,

My apologies, my list of authors wasn't complete. Mod packs don't always list all the authors unless you download the mod and read the readme file, which would have taken too much bandwidth and too much time.

Ranwers might not be a 3d guy, but it's obvious that he's a reasonably skilled java programmer with a lot of very clever ideas. I can understand why you don't like what he does, but you still have to grudgingly admire his dedication and creativity. If he could be "converted" and his talents directed in the right direction, it would be a huge benefit for everyone.

I also apologize for a bit of a rant in my previous post. I absolutely love what TD is going for the game. Your skill and attention to detail is second to none and I look forward to every new patch. The problem is that you guys are on the extreme side of the "fast vs. good" equation. In the time it takes TD to lovingly craft a new patch and polish it to perfection, dozens of modders have produced hundreds of new mods which are "good enough" for most people. And, to quote one of the dictator on the winning side of WW2, "Sometimes quantity has a quality all its own."

[Lagarto]

By the way, no one ever considered making Bf 109T, Hs 126 or Bristol Beaufort? They would fit in nicely with some offline campaigns (Beaufort was used extensively in the ETO, MTO and PTO as well).

[PKU]

One of my pet bugs is the propeller pitch control in the F4F (all models, lower left corner of the front cockpit). Note that at high speed (fine pitch), it's all the way back, while at low RPM (coarse pitch), it's further in. To have it all the way in is to effectively feather the prop.

This is backwards, as it should be all the way in for fine pitch (high speed), and all the way out for feathering.

Please note pitch control in the Pilots Operating Manual:

http://books.google.com/books?id=lMZ...page&q&f=false

I'll throw in one more gotcha about the F4F. Note the shape of the handle in the sim that controls prop pitch. What's the shape the handle in the handbook? And what control IS shaped like the one in the sim? Hmmmmm... Great sim, always will be. Could've been greater with a bit more attention to the nits to pick.

One more note. Why is this such a big deal for me? What caused me to notice it in the first place? Why the clock, of course. How the heck are you supposed to dead recon with your view of the silly clock blocked by a control that's doing what it's supposed to do, but isn't where it's supposed to be while doing it??? Grumble... (Yes, this was pre-track IR things, but it still makes a big difference to those of us who minimize up/down, front/back sim-head movement.)

Thanks for consideration of this matter. And, of course, it would be great to see it fixed in 4.11!

[Romanator21]

The problem is that you guys are on the extreme side of the "fast vs. good" equation. In the time it takes TD to lovingly craft a new patch and polish it to perfection, dozens of modders have produced hundreds of new mods which are "good enough" for most people. And, to quote one of the dictator on the winning side of WW2, "Sometimes quantity has a quality all its own."

DT are a group of volunteers but they have rules or guidelines set by Oleg and 1C.

I personally think that high quality trumps high quantity. Of course, everyone is different, but that's why mods are optional. If something is going to be stock, it has to reach the baseline level of quality. If DT took nearly every plane that other modders built, there would almost be no point to have them working at all - just get the mods instead of patches...

I'm not a mod guy myself, but I'm not against mods. I think I'll wait once DT releases their final patch (hopefully not anytime soon) to pile on the plethora of mod aircraft I'm having too much fun just learning the ins-and-outs of their latest creations such as the Fokker, SM.79, and HS-129.

[mcmmielli]

Loku´s planes are realy good, and if have any oportunit, this deserve to include in game:


R-XIII





PZL23B&PZL42





P-11F I.A.R - Romanian IAR P-11f license build version powered by French license build Gnome-Rhome engine with skis for Winter conditions



RWD-10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfIFGGwAN6w

And others plane for Stoupa to:

Avia BK534:





Avia B-135





And many others planes:

Ki-44
D4Y2
J7W1
Ki 98
J4M

[Sita]

aircraft production by Loku looks veeeeeery good !!!
but they are unlikely will be included into the patch
(((

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by mcmmielli

Loku´s planes are realy good, and if have any oportunit, this deserve to include in game:


R-XIII

Is Loku also the author of the R-XIII for MSFS?

http://www.simhangar.com/main1/index...lublin&lang=en