Why does luthier even bother?

[Vengeanze]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

Mostof us enjoy receiving the patches. It is a good reassurance things are happening, and hopefully improving.

I look at the names of contributors to this thread. It's a fact, most of you have been vehement complainers at various times. Timely information feeds the lions is my take on it.

So yeah, bring on beta and patches I'm please to DL every one of them and give them a go.

Happy Sunday to all.

I dunno which category I fall into but I've been a contributor to this thread and I've been complaining. But I stopped when they released the hotfix. Now I'm enjoying and beta testing this sim like everyone else. It's a masterpiece.
However, I'm still stunned how they could miss the so obvious explosion bug. Only reason I can see is that they do not really test the game (just the parts they've been working on) prior to releasing a beta thus using us as their testers. Some are ok with that and other not so much. But that's what we got now so I'm suckin it.
EDIT: Just read ElAurens post and want to say that releasing a public beta and then assume that it'll work like a closed beta is not possible. It's like putting a bucket of cakemix infront of your kid and tell him not to eat anything yet cause "it's not done".
Sorry, as long as it's public I'll download it and will make my voice heard in this forum.
But like I said earlier, I vote for a closed beta.

I've got two issues with CloD. Number one is that the optimization hasn't been done yet. On the contrary framerate are even worse than earlier.
My fps is around 30 now when it use to be close to 40. I won't lower any more settings so optimization is my main interest right now.

Second, all the small details that are wrong, like inverted controls, weird colors, spelling errors, sucky campaign, missing AI comms, non-intuitive menues, defuncked loadouts, etc is a sign of a programming culture that I'm not use to or perhaps lack of resources (programmers).

I think it's important to understand that most if not all of us in here are great fans of the IL-2 series and we all want CloD to "be all it can be". I think alot of the complaining springs from frustration and eagerness.

[Pudfark]

Originally Posted by Vengeanze

I dunno which category I fall into but I've been a contributor to this thread and I've been complaining. But I stopped when they released the hotfix. Now I'm enjoying and beta testing this sim like everyone else. It's a masterpiece.
However, I'm still stunned how they could miss the so obvious explosion bug. Only reason I can see is that they do not really test the game (just the parts they've been working on) prior to releasing a beta thus using us as their testers. Some are ok with that and other not so much. But that's what we got now so I'm suckin it.
EDIT: Just read ElAurens post and want to say that releasing a public beta and then assume that it'll work like a closed beta is not possible. It's like putting a bucket of cakemix infront of your kid and tell him not to eat anything yet cause "it's not done".
Sorry, as long as it's public I'll download it and will make my voice heard in this forum.
But like I said earlier, I vote for a closed beta.

I've got two issues with CloD. Number one is that the optimization hasn't been done yet. On the contrary framerate are even worse than earlier.
My fps is around 30 now when it use to be close to 40. I won't lower any more settings so optimization is my main interest right now.

Second, all the small details that are wrong, like inverted controls, weird colors, spelling errors, sucky campaign, missing AI comms, non-intuitive menues, defuncked loadouts, etc is a sign of a programming culture that I'm not use to or perhaps lack of resources (programmers).

I think it's important to understand that most if not all of us in here are great fans of the IL-2 series and we all want CloD to "be all it can be". I think alot of the complaining springs from frustration and eagerness.

Exactly....

[zwiebacksaege]

So you complain about how we can dare to raise critics on a beta patch because you think we don't understand the word "beta"? Well the word "patch" is also inside this, dear friends!
And patch in my opinion means that an existing thing is made better.
I just don't understand why formerly working things need to be destroyed for placing new features - this is just not what I expect to be a "patch" - beta or not. Maybe we just need a new name for it. midnight try-out or something like that...

[robtek]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

So you complain about how we can dare to raise critics on a beta patch because you think we don't understand the word "beta"? Well the word "patch" is also inside this, dear friends!
And patch in my opinion means that an existing thing is made better.
I just don't understand why formerly working things need to be destroyed for placing new features - this is just not what I expect to be a "patch" - beta or not. Maybe we just need a new name for it. midnight try-out or something like that...

And that, liebe Zwiebacksäge, tells us exactly that you haven't understood the "beta"-thingy.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by robtek

And that, liebe Zwiebacksäge, tells us exactly that you haven't understood the "beta"-thingy.

+1

[mustang137]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

So you complain about how we can dare to raise critics on a beta patch because you think we don't understand the word "beta"? Well the word "patch" is also inside this, dear friends!
And patch in my opinion means that an existing thing is made better.
I just don't understand why formerly working things need to be destroyed for placing new features - this is just not what I expect to be a "patch" - beta or not. Maybe we just need a new name for it. midnight try-out or something like that...

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by mustang137

http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff254/unionpac/misc/1214781156114.jpg

rotfl

[6S.Manu]

Originally Posted by zwiebacksaege

So you complain about how we can dare to raise critics on a beta patch because you think we don't understand the word "beta"? Well the word "patch" is also inside this, dear friends!
And patch in my opinion means that an existing thing is made better.
I just don't understand why formerly working things need to be destroyed for placing new features - this is just not what I expect to be a "patch" - beta or not. Maybe we just need a new name for it. midnight try-out or something like that...

I see your point. It's a thing that I stated long time ago.

Here we are not testing a "patch". We are testing a new version of the game.

So we should not call it "Beta-Patch" but "CoD Version X - Beta".

When the game will be finished (speaking about contents) then we'll be provided with real patches.


Look at the ugly thing called "Red Orchestra 2": the game is complete but is a mess (so many bugs!) and I'm really mad at it, because without the bugs it would be enjoyable. This game needs patches.

Instead I don't care about CoD's bugs since IMO it's still a unplayable game (and infact I'm not actually playing with it). This game needs to be finished.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

So we should not call it "Beta-Patch" but "CoD Version X - Beta".

A rose by any other name would smell as sweet

[ElAurens]

In this case the workd BETA supercedes the word patch.

And as some of us suspected, most of you do not understand this.