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Old 10-06-2011, 09:20 PM
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Didn't Galland say something about the Battle of Britain from his perspective did not end? And that the invasion of Russia just changed priorities?

After reading Spitfire on my Tail by a German Me109 pilot, I get the impression that Galland as a tactition was not highly regarded.

For instance, Galland opposed the use of radios in 109s during the BoB due to their weight penalty.

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Old 10-07-2011, 10:30 PM
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Steinhilper seemed to have a rather low opinion of galland as a tactician... and as a flight leader. The luftwaffe aces tended to put a kill above the poor katschmareks.

Wasn't the main issue with radios that the fighters and bombers had different crystald, leading to tragedy as missions were called off, and bombers left unescorted. in one case the fighters received the recall, butdespite aerobatics and the fighter formation leader's best efforts to get the bombers to turn back they advanced aline and got torn to shreds.
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Old 10-07-2011, 10:53 PM
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Steinhilper seemed to have a rather low opinion of galland as a tactician... and as a flight leader. The luftwaffe aces tended to put a kill above the poor katschmareks.

Wasn't the main issue with radios that the fighters and bombers had different crystald, leading to tragedy as missions were called off, and bombers left unescorted. in one case the fighters received the recall, butdespite aerobatics and the fighter formation leader's best efforts to get the bombers to turn back they advanced aline and got torn to shreds.
As much as I like Steinhilper's book,I still do believe he had a somehow narrow view of the war,since he spent most of it as an escaping POW. Galland had his quirks,but together with Mölders he had a great understanding of aerial warfare, millions of times better than the RLM. I often wonder how Möelders would have been like, had he not died prematurely.
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Reading the "First and the Last" and other books like the mentioned "Their most dangerous enemies", "Spitfire", "The BoB" Marce l Lullian, "Operation Eagle" Len Deigthon..., I tend to put Galland rahter in the education of the days between WWI and its remains.

I guess Galland was still in his hype of the "easy" days in Spain with "Legion-Condor,-we-just-waggel-our-wings-and-everything-is-right". He was opposing the use of radios in fighters (and I can understand the KISS/S philosophy), but for opposing the first sohisticated air defence, I guess he was not prepared nor was any of the LW stuff, hanging to the beliefs of knight duells. Even if he understood the basics of aerial warfare, he didn´t seem to be great teamplayer. And the team play was, what made the RAF and the FC strong, or not?
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Reading the "First and the Last" and other books like the mentioned "Their most dangerous enemies", "Spitfire", "The BoB" Marce l Lullian, "Operation Eagle" Len Deigthon..., I tend to put Galland rahter in the education of the days between WWI and its remains.

I guess Galland was still in his hype of the "easy" days in Spain with "Legion-Condor,-we-just-waggel-our-wings-and-everything-is-right". He was opposing the use of radios in fighters (and I can understand the KISS/S philosophy), but for opposing the first sohisticated air defence, I guess he was not prepared nor was any of the LW stuff, hanging to the beliefs of knight duells. Even if he understood the basics of aerial warfare, he didn´t seem to be great teamplayer. And the team play was, what made the RAF and the FC strong, or not?
this is the crux of it i think.
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As much as I like Steinhilper's book,I still do believe he had a somehow narrow view of the war,since he spent most of it as an escaping POW. Galland had his quirks,but together with Mölders he had a great understanding of aerial warfare, millions of times better than the RLM. I often wonder how Möelders would have been like, had he not died prematurely.
granted, although i think the impressions he gives are relevant early on in the war. möelders would've had a better handle later on latter war tactics as well i suspect...

the team play thing could be linked to the luftwaffe ethos of individual glory and the cult of the individual, i guess.
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