Drove the boss's '96 911 today.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I'm not sure I understand what you were trying to say?

That having a car that is fun to drive and has "soul" does not nessecarily make it a better car.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

That having a car that is fun to drive and has "soul" does not nessecarily make it a better car.

Ah I see, so Baron Wasteland, you mean that the MG was not safe while Porsches are uh? You say that to Ryan Dunn..

[raaaid]

well gotta wonder what did you google to post that

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by raaaid

well gotta wonder what did you google to post that

what you asked for: "car with no roof"

[raaaid]

haha i learnt from playing poker i should distrust less

[ElAurens]

Oh that poor 356.

I love the 356 models. I'd dearly like to have an SC Cabrio. I have lots of time in them. My favorite Porsches by far.

But for now, and probably the rest of my life, my TR3 will do nicely.

Fear not Wastlan, if I were ever to build a "track car" it would be a decontented 911 SC.

[baronWastelan]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Ah I see, so Baron Wasteland, you mean that the MG was not safe while Porsches are uh? You say that to Ryan Dunn..

Well, I know you're smart enough to know the answer, but for the benefit of any youngsters reading ...

any gasoline powered car can be driven to speeds beyond the capabilities of the driver and road surface. Active safety technology, such as Traction Control and All-Wheel-Drive, can entice some drivers to push the car beyond the drivers' capabilities. But the passive safety technology built into modern cars will prevent injury and death to those drivers who obey the traffic laws and get crashed into by other negligent drivers. For a driver who can't control himself to drive within the posted speed limit, an MG may have a slight lower chance of fatality to its driver since he will often get frightened before things get out of hand.

In the case of a mid-90's car like the Porsche 911 Carrera, you have the benefit of the passive safety of airbags, crumple zones, plastic fuel tank well protected deep within the front compartment, without the enticements of the electronic active safety features like Traction Control, PSM, PASM, SPASM (?) or whatever other acronyms they have these days.

I guess what I'm trying to explain is the concept of tailoring the features of the car to fit the characteristics of the driver, in order to maximise chances of survival.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

Well, I know you're smart enough to know the answer, but for the benefit of any youngsters reading ...

any gasoline powered car can be driven to speeds beyond the capabilities of the driver and road surface. Active safety technology, such as Traction Control and All-Wheel-Drive, can entice some drivers to push the car beyond the drivers' capabilities. But the passive safety technology built into modern cars will prevent injury and death to those drivers who obey the traffic laws and get crashed into by other negligent drivers. For a driver who can't control himself to drive within the posted speed limit, an MG may have a slight lower chance of fatality to its driver since he will often get frightened before things get out of hand.

In the case of a mid-90's car like the Porsche 911 Carrera, you have the benefit of the passive safety of airbags, crumple zones, plastic fuel tank well protected deep within the front compartment, without the enticements of the electronic active safety features like Traction Control, PSM, PASM, SPASM (?) or whatever other acronyms they have these days.

I guess what I'm trying to explain is the concept of tailoring the features of the car to fit the characteristics of the driver, in order to maximise chances of survival.

I'm sorry, but this is a bit preposterous..

Let's get one thing clear: Porsche makes cars that are not meant for the road, Volkswagen does. Do you really need a road car that does 140mph? I don't think so. Besides, you're always gonna find someone with a car bigger than yours, most of the SUVs out there have the bumper at the height of my head in my car, how's that supposed to be safe?

It's the illusion of safety that they're selling you, truth is that you can kill yourself (or get killed) both with an MG and a Porsche.

[335th_GRAthos]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Let's get one thing clear: Porsche makes cars that are not meant for the road, Volkswagen does. Do you really need a road car that does 140mph?

Hmmm... I will say a careful Doch! (German expression for "YES THEY DO!")
The 911s are of the few cars where you have >385ps but you can jump in on a cold morning and drive 5min to the nearest bakery to buy your donats, without ruining your engine.
I can not think of another GT car where you can do this without ruining your engine on the long run.
And it is true, even ElAurens' grandmother could drive it to the bakery every day (mine I would certainly not let her in on mine) it can be an incredibly civilised car if you wanted to and a mad bull the next moment.
True you do not need a road car that does 140mph. Hold on a sec though, why do I see so many 500cc and 1000cc motorbikes on the roads???? (No thanks Raaid, I do not need an answer )
It is not the end speed, it is the acceleration, forward and lateral (taking a turn at 2+ g is a freaky experience). For those without the reflexes for those 1000cc superbikes, this is the closest alternative.
In terms of safety, there is "passive" and "active" safety. Passive safety is rather limited where you crash into a 2,2ton SUV when your 911 is only 1,4tons (sorry for the metrics).
But the active safety margin of these cars is amazing. Provided you have your eyes on the road (which few people do) you will probably never find yourself in a situation where you can not get away from either by braking, avoiding, or accelerating out of it, in a 911.

Anyway, I do not work for Porsche, nor am I a salesman, nor do I own one (because where I live now, the passive safety of an SUV is better than the active of a 911 ) but I happen to be one of those potential customers who happened to test the old 911s and said the same things as ElAurens said, then tested the new ones (10years later) and almost went straight to buy one.
@ElAurens: You need to get a new customer (or a new boss; whatever easier ) with a 911S model 997 generationII (the 2010 production) or 991 (2011 production) and it will radicaly change yor opinion; the new double-clutch 7-speed gearboxes and the new motor management made different cars out of them...

Now time to go back to my IL2...

~S~

[raaaid]

well actually posting to my request of a no hood car a no roof porsche covered in slight gore is alitle gore

but the thing is that i dont think theres no one bad

i like everybody even hitler i would have a beer with him and realize he was good but lost his inner child

thats why ill almost always trust even knowing im wrong

in the subcouncious even baddies do the right thing

hitler having all the chances made himself sure he lost, oh the subcouncious

its like why the baddies enjoy the goddies winning in movies?"back to the future ii"

myself i prefer a bike to a car since i rather risk my life than others