Drove the boss's '96 911 today.

[ElAurens]

Sorry guys, I stand by my post.

I've done lots of track days in the past. In my job I drive lots of different newer and older exotics and sports cars.

The 911 has morphed into a GT car, especially the portly water cooled versions. There is no getting around that.

For my taste the only new Porsches that come close to the essence of what a sports car is are the Cayman S and the Boxter Spyder.

Personally if I was going to own a 911 the only one I would consider is the RS America.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the newer 911s are bad cars, they are not, but I find them lacking in soul. I can say the same thing about the newer Aston Martins as well. Wonderful cars, but dull.

On the flip side I had the '63 E-Type from the collection out on the road today and it made me feel like I was driving. Really driving. I could feel the rear end thinking about stepping out just a little as that wonderful 3.8 litre six oozed torque through the contact patches coming out of a tight right hander. Tiny correction in the steering and squeeze the go pedal a bit more, clip the apex, squirt out and select fourth...

Ah... Glorious...




Me at work.

[baronWastelan]

I doubt you could list 5 power-train and suspension differences between the RS America and a "'96 911", or how many of those components are interchangeable between the 2. Wonder if you're conflating "'96 911" with "996"?

[ElAurens]

Originally Posted by baronWastelan

I doubt you could list 5 power-train and suspension differences between the RS America and a "'96 911", or how many of those components are interchangeable between the 2. Wonder if you're conflating "'96 911" with "996"?

Negative, it's a 993.

The RS is a lot lighter. No AC or electric doo dads. And no computer nanny messing with the brakes or throttle either.

Like I said, the 993 is not a bad car, but soul stirring it is not.

[baronWastelan]

I don't seem to have a computer nanny on my 993 messing with my brakes or throttle. I have a cable connecting accelerator pedal to the throttle body on the engine, same as RS America (964). I have hydraulic brake master cylinder with ABS, same as 964 RS America. Electric power windows, same as .... [guess].

Tell us the differences between the two models in the M64 engine. For bonus points, list 2 or 3 features from the 993 engine that many 964 owners install.

But, the 993 is newer, and therefore more "high tech", and therefore "watered down".

[ElAurens]

I didn't make this post this to argue with you.

I found the car boring, porky, and not to my liking.

Certainly not as fun as the early cars.

It's easily 500 pounds overweight, and has a lot of stuff that sports cars don't need. But then it's a GT car now, so what do I know.

To each his own.

[AndyJWest]

Real men drive Messerschmitts:

[baronWastelan]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

I didn't make this post this to argue with you.

I found the car boring, porky, and not to my liking.

Certainly not as fun as the early cars.

It's easily 500 pounds overweight, and has a lot of stuff that sports cars don't need. But then it's a GT car now, so what do I know.

To each his own.

I've driven 1,000 different kinds of cars, most of which are not to my liking. Should I start a thread for each one of them?

What exactly is the point of you making this post? Are there car dealers in your area advertising lots of 993's for sale? Just curious.

[ElAurens]

It is just a gut feeling I have, and it's not just about the newer 911s. It's all the newer enthusiast cars.

They are just, I guess uninspiring it the right word, to me. I've been around, and involved with sports cars since I started driving, and these cars now just make me yawn, and it has nothing to do with their speed or performance envelope, nor a glut of them on the market, which there certainly is not in my area.

My post was simply prompted by my employer getting the car in question recently, and from putting several hundered miles on it myself.

It is better than his Cayenne though... What a waste of the Porsche nameplate that boat is.

Ah well.

At least my motorcycle is still fun.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by ElAurens

On the flip side I had the '63 E-Type from the collection out on the road today and it made me feel like I was driving. Really driving. I could feel the rear end thinking about stepping out just a little as that wonderful 3.8 litre six oozed torque through the contact patches coming out of a tight right hander. Tiny correction in the steering and squeeze the go pedal a bit more, clip the apex, squirt out and select fourth...

Ah... Glorious...

It had an aftermarket tranny then, I guess.

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