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[ReconNZ]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

If you can't stay relatively close to the 109's performance in a Hurri or Spit (it's easier in the Hurri due to the Rotal), then its your flying. This isn't 1946 where you set a control to a specific point for maximum performance, everything needs to be constantly tweaked.

I'm not the greatest Spit pilot, but I can easily manage almost 100kph faster than my 109 in the IIa at sea level, and the performance difference increases from there.

Sorry Cheese, this isnt accurate mate. In a Boom and Zoom situation, or any kind of climb, the performance of the Hurri isnt even close to the 109. (and the Spit1 isnt even worth discussing). Maybe in a straight line the hurri can almost keep up, but you start them together and make the conflict vertical, then the 109 will eat the hurri for lunch. The 109 can outlimb the hurri by a factor of almost 2 on every leg!

I'd be keen to put the Spit2 against a 109 in a side by side race actually as I personally dont have any experience as to how overmodeled everyone says it is. Although again I come back to the historical data - isnt the Spit2 supposed to be faster????

I think the 109 drivers are just worried about loosing the advantage. I dont see how four Spit2's located at an inland airfield can be so scary for you? As you all keep telling us, if you have the height advantage, and work together you can easily prevail. I think you will just need to adapt your tactics.

Or better yet, come fly the spit1 for a week on the server, with good pilots like MoGas and MrX in 109's, then tell me you dont think there is a massive advantage to the 109 pilots.

[Jugdriver]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

The IIa's speed advantage was up high over 3k, and in fact (well, maybe not fact, but reported data! there are differences in reported performance, although they have similarities) down low the 109 still had a slight speed advantage (25mph at sea level vs Mk I, and 15 vs Mk II)

Can you provide this data? The best sea level data I can find for a 109 E(3) is 500kph, but I could have sworn I have seen faster numbers somewhere.

JD
AKA_MattE

[naz]

Hi guys

Well, I just had my first attempt at online play, what fun!

Had absolutely no idea what I was doing Tried joining the teamspeak server and got on it but had no idea how it all works so eventually just decided to start the game without it. I'll have to figure that out eventually.

Picked a Spit 1 and took off. Flew about my airfield for a while gaining altitude and then figured I may as well set off for France on my lonesome.

I couldn't see anyone for ages so was having a leisurely flight when at last I saw some dots back over the channel. When I reached them they turned out to be a group of dauntlesses (I think) but there was another dot flying above them. I went up to have a closer look wondering if it was another human escorting them or a human 109 having a go at them. I saw it was another Spitfire so I was going to try to form up with him but he zoomed off and I lost him.

I then flew around the dauntlesses for a bit but got bored so headed back towards France again. Eventually there was a message that a 109 had appeared somewhere in M12. I looked at the map and then at the landscape below me and realized i was quite near there, so I started frantically looking about to see If I could find him. I was flying above an airfield when some flak started going off, and i thought, "Nah, I'll be right, they wont hit me" ... then I heard a bang and a message appeared telling me I had some hydraulic failure. I saw another puff of smoke and looked to my right and behind and lo and behold there was a yellow nose closing on me from that direction! I dont know if it was flak that initially got me and warned me of his presence or whether he had actually been the one to get a hit on me.

My pulse rate increased dramatically and I had a massive smile on my face as i realized that after approximately 30 minutes of thinking nothing was happening, i was now in some serious trouble!

I tried to turn into him and he must have tried to turn too hard as his plane seemed to flip and then drop. I was able to turn onto him and then make a deflection shot streaming bullets ahead of him and he flew straight through the stream...smoke started to billow out of his machine...I whooped for joy... crikey, I might get my first online kill in my first online dogfight!!

Then another flak explosion and everything started to go red...i was obviously wounded and my left wing had lost its tip and there was a bloody great big hole in it. Somehow the 109 appeared in front of me again and so I had the choice, head for home or try to finish him off whilst injured and with a broken plane! ... Stuff it, If I can get him now, I'll probably get a VC .... fired off another steam of bullets at it, but I don't think I hit him this time.

My plane started making some awful noises and my windscreen became covered in oil, so I figured I had better try to get home. In single player I wouldn't have cared, but for some reason, flying against a human opponent, I wanted to try to survive the mission even if i missed the final kill.

I headed for home, hoping to at least make it back to the English side of the channel. Thankfully, the 109 pilot did not chase me. I got within sight of England with the engine getting worse all the time, and with the red hue of my vision getting darker by the minute.

I eventually successfully ditched in the channel.

Apologies for the long post which really is about nothing, but blimey, even though most of the session was simply looking about wondering where everyone else was, that wasn't half fun when it all kicked off! (That 30 seconds or so was awesome!) Just wanted to share it all with someone

If any of this rings a bell with a 109 pilot, I'd love to know if it was you that shot me initially or whether it was the flak!

Thanks for the server guys, it ran as smoothly for me as single payer does despite the ping of over 200 given I am in Australia. Great fun.

EDIT: Dauntlesses = Wellingtons

[klem]

Originally Posted by naz

Hi guys

Well, I just had my first attempt at online play......................... Great fun.

/..and that's the difference between offline and online play. The other guy is real (usually) and its a test of human skills, often with a bit of luck thrown in !

Offline can be interesting but I find it a bit sterile.

Welcome to on-line play

[Sven]

Originally Posted by ReconNZ

Or better yet, come fly the spit1 for a week on the server, with good pilots like MoGas and MrX in 109's, then tell me you dont think there is a massive advantage to the 109 pilots.

Any plane with a real good pilot has a massive advantage. I've been flying mostly Red on servers because the blue team is usually large on numbers ( This is caused by players not knowing how to start and warm up spits/hurris ). And I've been flying the Spit Ia for a while now and from what I experienced the planes both have their advantages, and if you stick to them it's really hard to down either 109 or Spitfire. There is no massive difference in the 2 planes in terms of dogfighting.

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by Sven

Any plane with a real good pilot has a massive advantage. I've been flying mostly Red on servers because the blue team is usually large on numbers ( This is caused by players not knowing how to start and warm up spits/hurris ). And I've been flying the Spit Ia for a while now and from what I experienced the planes both have their advantages, and if you stick to them it's really hard to down either 109 or Spitfire. There is no massive difference in the 2 planes in terms of dogfighting.

+1

@Recon

Dude I have flown the Hurri Rotol lots of times and was solely flying that at the beginning of this sim, I don't know what your doing wrong if you cant climb with a 109 m8 I really don't..

Ive also had height advantage over 109's and either killed them or forced them to the ground...I dont understand why your having such a hard time..if your getting caught by higher EA then im afraid thats your fault and you would suffer the same regardless what bird your in or what side your on.

@Jugdriver

Stop being a Troll... were having a discussion..stop trying to bait an argument

[csThor]

It's amazing that every time a new sim comes out it's always the same discussion. Apparently people are very resistant to learning the one ancient maxime, around ever since people started flying combat sims against each other over the internet and still as viable as it was back then:

He who takes off from a besieged field will die above a besieged field.

If there aren't alternative fields available then it's simply an insufficient setup of the map.

[trumps]

Exactly, I usually take off and flyaway from the coast until I get to about 3-4k even if there is no sign of enemy aircraft around my field! This way when I get to about 3-4k I can turn back and head for the action knowing that not only will I have some altitude under my belt, but also I will be entering the danger area with a whole heap of speed and a well trimmed plane, and if I am really lucky with the sun at my back It is well worth spending the extra 10 minutes at the start of the sortie and setting your self up, there is no future in being the one struggling for altittude, with no speed in reserve and having the enemy dropping down upon you!!

Craig

[Jugdriver]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

@Jugdriver

Stop being a Troll... were having a discussion..stop trying to bait an argument

Whatever Jamz; For once the discussion has been civil, that is until you showed up. All I have every asked in discussing the Spit II is that it was civilized and honest, something you obviously can’t do. More insults and BS, typical, and you call me a troll, what a hypocrite.

JD
AKA_MattE

[JG5_emil]

When is ATAG going to be running the new patch?