The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Al Schlageter]

Destroyers? Those wouldn't be those clapped out 4 stackers would it. If it is, they were bought.

GM (Opel) as well.

Expenditure by the US for the lend-lease program totaled about $48,000,000,000.

70% went to Great Britain and 25% to USSR.

The US received $6,000,000,000 in reverse lend-lease, mostly from the British Commonwealth.

[adonys]

you guys are right, I'm sorry, the tone I've used wasn't proper, and I'm sorry for that, I've got carried away

yet.. those are facts, battles the english had lost. and I don't have anything against them, I've even lived in London for a year and a half, and maybe I'll live even more in the future. there's no shame in losing, as long as you fought with all you strength and gave your best.

also, let's not forget this is a game, and we all are united in here by the same thing we have in common: passion for WWII flight sims.

sons can not be blamed of the sins of their fathers and history is history, and can not be changed. we can just learn it true, to avoid doing the same mistakes again in the future.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by adonys

there's no shame in losing, as long as you fought with all you strength and gave your best.

No indeed. And it wasn't our fight anyway.

sons can not be blamed of the sins of their fathers and history is history, and can not be changed. we can just learn it true, to avoid doing the same mistakes again in the future.

Agreed again, although given the arguements here I guess we're not learning it truethfully.

yet.. those are facts, battles the english had lost.

Which battles are you talking about?

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by adonys

you guys are right, I'm sorry, the tone I've used wasn't proper, and I'm sorry for that, I've got carried away

yet.. those are facts, battles the english had lost. and I don't have anything against them, I've even lived in London for a year and a half, and maybe I'll live even more in the future. there's no shame in losing, as long as you fought with all you strength and gave your best.

also, let's not forget this is a game, and we all are united in here by the same thing we have in common: passion for WWII flight sims.

sons can not be blamed of the sins of their fathers and history is history, and can not be changed. we can just learn it true, to avoid doing the same mistakes again in the future.

Fair play to you for posting this. I think a few of us have had moments on this thread where the red mists have descended (myself included).

I just want to say that I think we all need to learn to let others have their own opinions on this matter. I don't have any problems with Stern and others holding different views from my own so long as they allow me the same freedom.

Also, holding the view that Britain actually did achieve something important in the BOB doesn't at all imply that many of us here think Britain won the war single-handedly or possessed overall superior military prowess to the other nations involved. By most reckoning Germany had the most formidable armed forces in terms of quality of equipment, leadership, tactics, etc.

Anyway things got a little out of hand in this thread. Hopefully the patch may appear today and we can all get back to the game.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Fair play to you for posting this. I think a few of us have had moments on this thread where the red mists have descended (myself included).

I just want to say that I think we all need to learn to let others have their own opinions on this matter. I don't have any problems with Stern and others holding different views from my own so long as they allow me the same freedom.

Also, holding the view that Britain actually did achieve something important in the BOB doesn't at all imply that many of us here think Britain won the war single-handedly or possessed overall superior military prowess to the other nations involved. By most reckoning Germany had the most formidable armed forces in terms of quality of equipment, leadership, tactics, etc.

Anyway things got a little out of hand in this thread. Hopefully the patch may appear today and we can all get back to the game.

Absolutely. I have no problem with any of you guys either on the matter, I respect your opinion and see your point of view, I'm not in total denial!
I suppose I'm a bit scared by how we manage to justify our atrocities "for the sake of the greater good", but firmly condemn other when they do it.

There's no perfection in this world, no absolute good and bad, that's what prompts my attitude towards assessment of historical events, it really has nothing to do with nationalism.

The thread has dangerously derailed more than once, but I'm surprised how far we got with this "hot topic" without getting banned/flamed/stabbed

[ATAG_Dutch]

Well, as hostilities appear to have been suspended, maybe it's time for a short video intermission.

It's only at 360p so I wouldn't bother with full screen.

Respectfully dedicated to all contributors to the thread, and I never professed to be unbiased myself, by Jingo!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6RnzoGXMdU