The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Triggaaar

It's just too long a thread to read it all, then go back and start again, quoting bits that jump out at you. No doubt this has all been discussed a million times before, and no one here will say anything that hasn't been said before, so if you don't want to read the same thing again, don't read the thread.

I'm sorry but that's a bit lazy: you get in a conversation while it's been running for a while and start blurting out sentences and calling people names just because you don't understand, how should one take this?

The allies certainly killed millions of innocent people. The differences are in justification. When bombing enemy civilians you may be trying to encourage the enemy to chance their tactics, or weaken their resolve. Or they may be casualties among military targets. None of it is nice, but if you are fighting to ultimately defend your country it can be understandable. There is no such way to defend the holocaust.

so you are shocked about what I said, whereas justifying the killing of innocents to stop a war is acceptable?! Double standards anyone?!?! How can you even begin to think that and consider yourself mature enough for this conversation?!?! I am shocked, seriously shocked.

Ah and FYI, check out how the Geneva convention was changed in 1949 regarding civilians...

This is so wrong I don't know where to start. While over the centuries there has been truth in the saying that the victors write the history, you should not give up on finding the truth. If they had won the war, they would still have been the baddies (as you put it), we just might not know they were.

Yeah, well good luck with that. And yes, if they won the war, on an absolute principle they would have been the baddies, but you reckon they would have said this or were aware of being the baddies?! Nobody thinks of themselves as the baddies.. I'm still shocked about your partial acceptance of the killing of civilians, how do you classify the invasion of Iraq after 9/11? Was the killing of all those civilians justified?

The Romans took over Europe, they won - they were not the goodies.
The Brits took over half the world - they were not the goodies.
The Crusaders went on a killing spree under the name of god - they were not the goodies.

your analysis is pointless. History is not a court, it's a chronicle. Historical analysis on the other hand is a form of judgement, but it can be bent and adapted to the different perspectives.

No of course they weren't. It was your view that the war was not Germany's fault (the country, not every individual) that I am shocked by.

excuse me, what's a country made of, land only? It's the majority of people of a country that decide for the fate of it.

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

your analysis is pointless. History is not a court, it's a chronicle. Historical analysis on the other hand is a form of judgement, but it can be bent and adapted to the different perspectives.

Yes, we all see that you do that.

[MD_Titus]

Hais triggaaar

I'd leave stern's comments alone and ignore them, it's like nailing a jellyfish to water. And makes about as much sense.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Oh no.

It's all kicked off again.

Sorry chaps, just thought I'd say hello again.

[blackmme]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Oh no.

It's all kicked off again.

Sorry chaps, just thought I'd say hello again.

If they could just get the patch released we would have something else to talk about!

Regards Mike

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

Hais triggaaar

I'd leave stern's comments alone and ignore them, it's like nailing a jellyfish to water. And makes about as much sense.

so you too think that killing enemy innocent civilians is fine? Nice, I'm starting to delineate what sort of mentality goes on here among a certain bunch of people.

Un-frigging-believable

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

so you too think that killing enemy innocent civilians is fine? Nice, I'm starting to delineate what sort of mentality goes on here among a certain bunch of people.

Un-frigging-believable

Lol! Where do I say anything like that?

So, by your judgment stern, I am a bnp supporting advocate of the slaughter of civilians.

My statement stands.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

Lol! Where do I say anything like that?

So, by your judgment stern, I am a bnp supporting advocate of the slaughter of civilians.

My statement stands.

u r supporting triggaaar and his position, hence, you think like him..

or has this become an alliance of people that don't like me and find any good excuse to have a go?

Motivate your points and bring valid arguments to support your theory, I'm sure you can do it.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

u r supporting triggaaar and his position, hence, you think like him..

or has this become an alliance of people that don't like me and find any good excuse to have a go?

Motivate your points and bring valid arguments to support your theory, I'm sure you can do it.

No, I was simply offering advice, nor was there any mention of the rather OT issue of bombing the bejaysis out of enemy manufacturing/civilian centres in my post, nor of the wholesale slaughter of ones own civilian population. Although I think that little distinction is very important to remember in terms of justifying acts undertaken in times of war.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

Yes, we all see that you do that.

well I'm sorry but my logic is pretty simple: I look at the dates, numbers, statistics before and after (up to at least two years in each direction), which are incontrovertible facts, then draw my personal conclusions, which I expose with no national sentiment, but keeping into account other's (if present).