Expansion from Desatersoft

[adonys]

You can look at it as role-play nazi propaganda, which I'm sure it is what actally it really is.

Things is.. there re some voices stating some alternative history unorthodox claims regrading how and why WW2 started.. and what do you know, they might even be right with one or two things..

[Gerbil Maximus]

At the moment some might claim you to be defending nazism and the german state in the 30's & 40's.
I'm sure your not but in this politically correct "george orwell" nightmare world we live in we have to word oursleves very carefully.

[NSU]

oh Boy`s
many english and US IL2 Pilots fly the german Plans with historic markings, when a german player make this so he is a Nazi!!!

What i will say, this handbook will show you how the german think when they beginn the war with england, why they fight with them.

And note this is a Game Add-on and yes a WWII game, you be a Nazi when you play the german side?

Please go study some semantics, NSU.

The text is titled as "Historic background" and NOT: "How Germans believed at that time how WW2 started". And even if it had been labelled in this manner it is the minimum that a historic and factual text was put aside it.

As it is written it is a (fortunately still) marginal and queer and imho outrageous way of seeing things presented in a manner as if it was some historic account like any else. Imho it equates definitely to propaganda. Anyhow this kind of opinions whatever one might think about it has no place in a handbook of a game or an addon.

I now remember that once Desastersoft made itself speak of it in a similar way. I should have remembered that before buying it.

[NSU]

Yes "Historic background" for the Game, all my Briefings are write like Luftwaffe 1940 without any discrimination!

The handbook (i do nou write it), the Briefings and all pictures are controlled by USK Nr.:30974/11
they find NO problems, so the Desastersoft product is OK for me.

when you have a problem with the handbook, put it in the drawer and play the game

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by NSU

Yes "Historic background" for the Game, all my Briefings are write like Luftwaffe 1940 without any discrimination!

The handbook (i do nou write it), the Briefings and all pictures are controlled by USK Nr.:30974/11
they find NO problems, so the Desastersoft product is OK for me.

when you have a problem with the handbook, put it in the drawer and play the game

Well done Sir!
Lol!

[No601_Swallow]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

Please go study some semantics, NSU

Personally, I think it's "poor form" to criticize a non-native speaker's language skills. He's trying to communicate on this forum as best he can (and I think his point's perfectly comprehensible.)

I wonder how your German "semantics" is? (And I'm pretty sure you meant "syntax" )

As it is, I doubt very much this is "revisionist" history (haven't read it but still...), for goodness' sake. As he says, it's "role-playing", getting into the skin of an indoctrinated warrior for his fatherland, etc, etc.

Geez, is that so hard to understand?

For my part, I'll be very interested to see what they've achieved and if (and how) they've started to mine the deep seam of scripts and triggers (ie. Frog's and Ming's fabled ambulances) that have been built into this game.

[No601_Swallow]

And another thing!

I bought this company's "Fall Blau" for IL2. I thought it was (and is) outstanding value for money. After - what - nearly a decade? - I still haven't played through all the missions and campaigns in the original, let alone the free update after - erm - was it pacific battles? Lost in the mists of forgettery...

Anyway, Fall Blau was for me a vital step up from stock single player playing (so to speak) and helped me to eventually make the jump to joining a squadron and embarrassing myself online.

I'm genuinely hoping for great things from this expansion! (Don't let me down, Knabben!)

Originally Posted by No601_Swallow

Personally, I think it's "poor form" to criticize a non-native speaker's language skills. He's trying to communicate on this forum as best he can (and I think his point's perfectly comprehensible.)

I wonder how your German "semantics" is? (And I'm pretty sure you meant "syntax" )

As it is, I doubt very much this is "revisionist" history (haven't read it but still...), for goodness' sake. As he says, it's "role-playing", getting into the skin of an indoctrinated warrior for his fatherland, etc, etc.

Geez, is that so hard to understand?

For my part, I'll be very interested to see what they've achieved and if (and how) they've started to mine the deep seam of scripts and triggers (ie. Frog's and Ming's fabled ambulances) that have been built into this game.

My criticism of language skills refered to the German handbook and NSU's interpretation of the handbook text. As NSU is fluent in German he should understand that how it is written it is definitely not in order to create some sort of "role playing feeling" nor was it marked as a description of how the German psyche was back then (please note: I don't talk about the briefings as I haven't installed the addon. I am talking about the paper handbook and the short description of historical background after their gospel). If you cannot see the difference I don't know how to explain it. Please grap the handbook and let google translate the text for you and then judge again.

BTW: I have read the text and therefore I can judge it and my judgement is that the purpose of this text in the handbook is not to put someone in a role playing mood but to relativise historic facts in favour of Germany. If it is fine for you and you still want to support these guys by buying their products ok. I for my part think that all people interested in buying this should just know what they buy so they can make a decision knowing all pros and cons. That's what this thread is about, init?

[No601_Swallow]

Originally Posted by 41Sqn_Stormcrow

My criticism of language skills refered to the German handbook and NSU's interpretation of the handbook text.

No it didn't.

And I haven't studied European history since 6th form in the early 80's, but I still remember my history teacher (who served in the war) summarising it all as there basically being two solutions to "the German Problem" (which is that there are basically too many German speakers in Europe - so there is always going to be a structural imbalance.

There were two solutions. Bismarck tried the first: a "Klein" Deutsch solution - a small state that excluded all the bits that Hitler later tried to incorporate into his "Gross" Deutsch solution - in which all ethnic/linguistic/arian Germans would be united in his "reich". So according to my history teacher, Hitler tried the solution that Bismarck rejected. Then, of course, came the insanity.

[Another interesting take on WW2 comes from Niall Furgusson, the Scottish historian, who states convincingly that from an economic point of view, the Nazis were buggered before they began. The last thing they needed was "liebensraum". What they needed was cheap immigrant labour to support their heavy industries. (They half achieved this through slavery during the war.) They also needed markets for their goods, which war stopped. They were basically like George Osborne (or Gordon Brown). So, it was always economically inevitable that they'd lose the war.]