The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[bongodriver]

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...

After Dunkirk you didn't had more left but tea to offer!!
Otherwise why should Churchill Lend & Lease some 50 war weary US Destroyers?
Ah yes because you ran out even on tea.
And your British Army sucked on every major Battle until the USA showed up at the ETO, the same is for the PTO!
But that's maybe because they didn't had allways Canadians and Australians on their side, they know how to fight!

No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...



No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

I dare say it was challenged quite massively enough =)

You are right, posts like those are uncalled for, to be expected in such a debate but uncalled for nevertheless. Best course of action here is to ignore them and concentrate on
substance, else everything goes down the drain.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I dare say it was challenged quite massively enough =)

You are right, posts like those are uncalled for, to be expected in such a debate but uncalled for nevertheless. Best course of action here is to ignore them and concentrate on
substance, else everything goes down the drain.

This I genuinely agree with too, and I am not denying getting a little hot heade at times.....more a symptom of being human than British.

[Sternjaeger II]

look at us, still debating over this at 9am!! Aren't we a sad bunch?!

time for a black coffee me thinks!

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

look at us, still debating over this at 9am!! Aren't we a sad bunch?!

time for a black coffee me thinks!

Funny I was thinking exactly the same......and drinking gallons of tea I might add

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

My issue is that I got called a Nationalist after my first post because I just said the english channel was a weak excuse for the LW performance in the BOB.

My blood began to boil when this post was alowed to go without challenge...



No apparently I have no right to be insulted, because I'm not allowed to assciate myself with my contry's past....unless it's about something bad the Brits did.....go figure.

It was an uncalled for post, but as you know I can only guarantee for my own posts, not others'. I hope you're not comparing my approach to that one though.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Well I'm awfully sorry about that....it's mainly a symptom of having preserved our culture by not being beaten in conflict and assimilated into another, but you are apparently a master theorist on what the British mentality is....yet I just had to explain that one to you.

I would look at a foreigner's perspective on my country as a refreshing and new one, not necessarily a negative one: as much as I mentioned negative chapters of your history, I also mentioned glorious ones. The reaction I got instead is similar to someone that knows his past is imperfect and gets all aggressive when mentioned.

Let's not be naive, there's no perfect country out there, we all come from somewhere where someone at some point said "mmmh I think we screwed this up a lil bit".

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

It was an uncalled for post, but as you know I can only guarantee for my own posts, not others'. I hope you're not comparing my approach to that one though.



I would look at a foreigner's perspective on my country as a refreshing and new one, not necessarily a negative one. The reaction I got instead is similar to someone that knows his past is imperfect and gets all aggressive when mentioned.

Let's not be naive, there's no perfect country out there, we all come from somewhere where someone at some point said "mmmh I think we screwed this up a lil bit".

Again I will stress there are no denials of any conduct good or bad from my part, I just don't get the point of all this revision on a past achievement, what was wrong with the established theory, why are people using so much of their time on this, will the world be a better place?

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Again I will stress there are no denials of any conduct good or bad from my part, I just don't get the point of all this revision on a past achievement, what was wrong with the established theory, why are people using so much of their time on this, will the world be a better place?

Yes, actually, I do think the world will be a better place if you take other perspectives but your own at least into consideration. The planet is growing awfully small at an ever greater pace, and our example here alone speaks volumes about different nationalities having ever more discourse. The times of comfy nationalities only caring for their own are coming to a dead end, in the modern world that means, in the best case, stagnation and losing attachment to the rest of the world, in the worst one it is potentially dangerous.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Yes, actually, I do think the world will be a better place if you take other perspectives but your own at least into consideration. The planet is growing awfully small at an ever greater pace, and our example here alone speaks volumes about different nationalities having ever more discourse. The times of comfy nationalities only caring for their own are coming to a dead end, in the modern world that means, in the best case, stagnation and losing attachment to the rest of the world, in the worst one it is potentially dangerous.

Hmmm......history repeats itself, all it takes if for the world to drop it's guard in false sense of security and whammo, some nutjob is trying to take over the world, I'm sorry but if the rest of the world want's to be sheep for the next time thats your choice, I like what we have now.

and I'm afraid a bit of National pride will give the incentive to defend it.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Hmmm......history repeats itself, all it takes if for the world to drop it's guard in false sense of security and whammo, some nutjob is trying to take over the world, I'm sorry but if the rest of the world want's to be sheep for the next time thats your choice, I like what we have now.

and I'm afraid a bit of National pride will give the incentive to defend it.

That is a highly probelamtic stance. If every potential development gets rejected just because something "could" go wrong, then I'd say that is a sorry and rather cynical state of mind.

Today most people on this planet have ready access to information far, far surpassing the possebilities of any era before. They also have access to other countries news and motivations unprecedendet in history. In all seriousness, if ppl do not get their act together under such positive circumstances, they probably never will. The implications of that for a world that just passed the 7 billion mark are, well, not so good.

This is just a matter of will, nothing more.