end of the road

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Just in case you weren't aware...its not compulsary to use the Sound Mod
(In fact as i'm enjoying the new 4.09 maps I'm not using it myself at the minute...)
So if you don't like what you see...I have a simple no-click solution...
Go to the "other website" and don't download any of the Mods available there...
Navigate to your IL2 1946 Folder (or whatever you cave it called in your installation) on your hard drive....and don't install anything new there
Bingo! You are now able to enjoy your IL2 experience exactly as you could before

very nice, but whats with the 6DOF hack? you think they didnt touch anything else? just sound? and yes, it is my problem when im forced to play with ppl who fly in the same type of plane but with different max speed, dive speed, rate of climbing, views...etc. got it?

[LEXX]

Tvrdi::

and yes, it is my problem when im forced to play with ppl who fly in the same type of plane but with different max speed, dive speed, rate of climbing, views...etc. got it?

Only if we choose to fly with cheaters in some "free" Online anonymous public servers.

Originally Posted by LEXX

Tvrdi::
Only if we choose to fly with cheaters in some "free" Online anonymous public servers.

so spits vs 109s, warclouds etc. are hack free? tnx for notice

[Fighterduck]

ok...but we got already this http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=2300 where all can speak about their happiness or sadness of what happened....

[robtek]

It is quite interesting how a simple statement calls such a response from the hack - users.
Especially interesting is the reply from lexx :
Only if we choose to fly with cheaters in some "free" Online anonymous public servers.
you just have to read it slow to enjoy the subtility of this text
Lexx, do you really think that anybody chooses to fly with a cheater on an online - server?
If yes than you need a reality - check.
And for the sound-hack, i really don´t understand the hype. It is interesting for maybe
half a hour and then you find it shortcomings as you do not hear if your engine starts to
fall apart, you start to miss the whole acoustical feedback that is included in the original
sound. The sound-hack is after a while still boring for a full-real pilot. But it is useful when
you are watching tracks where you don´t need that feedback.

[CloCloZ]

I'm new to IL-2, so I'm not sure if I'm missing some technical details and I don't know if this has been suggested in the past, but in my opinion the modding/hacking/cheating debate could have a solution just by implementing public key cryptography in any FM/DM critical software module.

This way:
- by digitally signing their own made modules 1C could certify the authenticity of those official pieces of software
- by signing mods submitted to 1C by third parties (amateur users included), Oleg could give its approval to the FM/DM of new or modified planes, making them equally "official"
- IL2 online server administrators could decide which planes are allowed just by checking the digital signatures (1C signature or the signature of other trusted sources) or, on the contrary, granting even not signed planes
- every group of people agreeing on a defined and publicly known set of digitally signed planes, even modded, could fly on properly set servers (just trusting the good faith of server administrators, of course!) without the fear of "cheats"
- modders would be recognized as a welcomed source of improvement and not as cheating promoters
- offline users would be able to fly everything they want on their machines, allowing even mods by signing them, and that's a good thing, IMHO

Of course, all the above ideas implies that the sim is intrinsecally designed for cryptography (crypto modules, proper modularity of the pieces of software, etc.) and I doubt that now Oleg would make such an investment in a product that's at the end of its life.
The other problem is that every mod possibly "made official" could mean ... one thing less to sell for 1C!
But I like the "open model" and I really would like to have such a ("controlled") thing in SoW/BoB, if not in IL-2.

Just my 2 cents ...

[Rama]

Originally Posted by CloCloZ

The other problem is that every mod possibly "made official" could mean ... one thing less to sell for 1C!

If you have followed the history of IL2 since the first demo in November 2001, you would know it isn't a problem at all.
A good number of the planes actually present in the sim + a number of the maps where done by third-party "moders" and integrated in the sim by M:1C..... for free (in patches and free addons).

But I like the "open model" and I really would like to have such a ("controlled") thing in SoW/BoB, if not in IL-2.

This was exactly the model of IL2, until M:1C stated that the dev of the sim will be over, and that no more planes/cockpit/maps will ne accepted for integration (with different deadline for each).
Since the begining... every modder wanting to developp a nexw plane, and able to reach the quality standarts defined by M:1C saw their creation integrated in the sim.
Look at the last 4.09 patch/addon: all the maps were done by third-party team, and integrated in the game for free.... it's the last of numerous free patches/addon.

Now... ot go back on subject... I'm not sure (and even sure of the contrary) that digitall signatures will be enough to protect servers. Some real check (file check) has to be done to insure integrity.

[-Ox-]

o..k....another thread about some guy crying about hacks

well stop playing the game..you felt you needed a thread about it? Well, good bye....i don't think anyone really cared. This post is in no way affecting anyone else but yourself...we will continue to play our modded up game.

Thread lock please.

[Krt_Bong]

Dunno if this has any bearing here but I tried the Mod for a short time and all of it's many facets of fancy extras, Now in wartime pilots did modify their planes, they did put rearview mirrors on planes that didn't have them. They may have even modified or tweaked performance, but I digress. The truth is the Mods really are hacks and one can use them to gain an unfair advantage over other more responsible fair playing aviators even without changing FM/DM and the server side Check Runtime=2 is so easy to get around that most people probably aren't aware of how it's being done. Now that I know I won't use the Mods, as far as Offline play they may have a certain appeal but we aren't worried about that we want to be sure that our online experience is safe from hacking and cheating. The only way is to insure that joining programs don't circumvent the server protections that are intended to compare files and that ip's of people who join who can be determined to not have a Normal version of the game can be kicked from the server. This is going to take the work of smarter people than me who are aware of which I speak and get those joining programs to patch up the holes in them and a server side check which works no matter what OS one is using and only discriminates against Cheating and Hacked programs. The constant Bickering changes nothing, The arbitrary Goodbye Cruel Forum is getting real old and if your half as smart as you think you are when you think you have a solution and know how to Hack for good and not for Winning only for yourself then Dammit Do Something about it!

[-Ox-]

Originally Posted by robtek

It is quite interesting how a simple statement calls such a response from the hack - users.
Especially interesting is the reply from lexx :
Only if we choose to fly with cheaters in some "free" Online anonymous public servers.
you just have to read it slow to enjoy the subtility of this text
Lexx, do you really think that anybody chooses to fly with a cheater on an online - server?
If yes than you need a reality - check.
And for the sound-hack, i really don´t understand the hype. It is interesting for maybe
half a hour and then you find it shortcomings as you do not hear if your engine starts to
fall apart, you start to miss the whole acoustical feedback that is included in the original
sound. The sound-hack is after a while still boring for a full-real pilot. But it is useful when
you are watching tracks where you don´t need that feedback.

...lol...thats the first time i've heard anyone say that the soundmod is boring..what soundmod are you using?

Ok, and do you really think there weren't any cheaters before this soundmod?

Yes, the game is now modable...and cheaters exist or whatever. But how many pointless threads are there gonna be about it? What point are you trying to make? If it irritates you that bad just leave IL2 alone and wait for SOW to come out. << It really is that simple.