IL2 and Sound Modding

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by X

Those who belong to the "Oleg will fix this school" have, perhaps, missed the point. There is not likely to be a fix from above, but one worked out by the users. If MAW can be designed to lock out unofficial mods, so can IL-2. Oleg is fully committed to BOBSOW which promises to square the circle for both online and offline users. Why would he waste precious resources on IL-2? I think he has turned it over to the users to work out how to keep their online competition version alive. It's pathetic to see people perpetually bleating for a dispensation from Oleg instead of thinking for themselves.

EXACTLY!!!

And with the talented pool of folks that is in this community which never ceases to amaze me... surely... SURELY they can come up with something that can do the job.. I think that as long as it falls within the parameters that I described above it will work. That way those who want to use full mods and will anyway can.. and those who want to fly in a totally mod free environment can and those who want a mixed bag can have that as well.. I am certain that even then there will be people who will try to cross the line.. just because that is the way that people are... but at least with a viable solution like that.. it will make it less likely and more obvious and everyone will be able to do as they want without forcing their desires on anyone.

Originally Posted by JG53Frankyboy

in my personal opinion is using the 6DOF hack online already a cheat !
and when im reading on these AAA forums that someone used it on the WoP servers (even with crt02 setting there) , i'm not very happy with this situation..............

in general i would have nothing against these hacks IF the server/host could prevent them succesfully if he wants - but as it looks like this is not the case in the moment.
and i doubt it will be ever in the il2 series.

Again.... therein lies the problem... I think most of the anti mod crowd feel exactly the same way you do FB....

[JG53Frankyboy]

CHAPEAU if the AAA "hacker" crew would design a "mod-prevent" tool

[jasonbirder]

Falcon4 - basically abandonware, and what is possible to mod if I may ask you?
LOMAC - recently some mods were allowed by the dev.team again what are the mods reduced to?
EECH - I'm not familiar enough with to comment.
Janes F/A-18 - so old Napoleon played wile imprisoned on St.Helena
CFS3 - yes and see what happened to it
EAW - practically designed for mods
SH3 and DW I'm not familiar with

Falcon 4.0 Abandonware??? You'd better let everyone know then...particularly the Open Falcon and Red Viper Mod teams! Abandonware...Is it not the Most Active Forum on SimHQ after IL2? What is possible to Mod? Well apart from everything...FMs Weapons Parameters, Avionics, The Dynamic Campaign, Graphics, Cockpits, Enemy AI, Addition of a realistic Ramp Start sequence...apart from that...Not much!

Janes F/A18 was released in 2000, a whole year before IL2 which was released in 2001

CFS3...can anyone say that CFS3 hasn't been improved by the OFF and MAW Mods?

So in summary...your post to trash Flight Sims that have been actively modded by the community is flawed and you failed to post a single example of a Flight Simulation which has suffered from an active community and third party modification.

I'll let that speak for itself...

[csThor]

jb - What you forgot to mention is that both Falcon4 and EAW suffered badly from the mods in regards to their communities. The mod-wars of Falcon are legendary as are the FM-wars of EAW. The mods fractured the community and the flamefests that followed made the Ubi-Zoo look like a well-behaved bunch of kids.

[jasonbirder]

Yes, but thats the fault of the community not the Mods themselves...the only relevent question is...was Falcon 4.0 better before or after the SuperPak mods? Was EAW better before or after the ECA mods?
If the Sims were better with the addition of the Mods then thats All that matters...The Mods are a Good thing.
If people want to fall out over them, moan, bitch and whine about them...thats their perogative but as a Sim Player i'm just interested in the best, most immersive, most realistic Sim experience and if thats through the utilisation of third party mods then i'm quite happy about that!

[csThor]

That is your POV - mine is that mods are not good. Reasons for this view are varied and somewhat difficult to explain. Let's leave it at that.

[Brain32]

Falcon 4.0 Abandonware??? You'd better let everyone know then...

Everybody already knows, you better check your dictionary for the term "abandonware"

Janes F/A18 was released in 2000, a whole year before IL2 which was released in 2001

And it died...that's all that is important, say Hello to all the 4 guys playing it online

OFF and MAW came quite a long time since CFS3 already died and as much as I appriciate all and any efforts to produce something new on the field of flight simulation games, both are outdated for todays standards. I'm sorry but for il2 standards CFS is dead in online play segment...

[jasonbirder]

So Brain32 what you are saying is that Mods can make Older Flight Sims better, Mods can make Flight Sims that aren't as good as IL2 better, Mods can make games that are no longer supported by their developers better...they can improve Jet Flight Sims and they can Improve Prop Flight Sims...
But they cannot improve IL2...I can't really understand the logic...but nevermind!

And the examples of the Flight Sims that are worse after the addition of quality community created Mods are?

[Brain32]

Jason you fail to understand only one thing, one VERY important thing. IL2 was not meant to be modded, I really like many of the mods I saw on "that place" but I don't like possible consequences of modding in general, that's it.
Now if the game was made from the begining with modding in mind it would be an entirely different thing, and we wouldn't have this discussion at all

Originally Posted by Brain32

Jason you fail to understand only one thing, one VERY important thing. IL2 was not meant to be modded, I really like many of the mods I saw on "that place" but I don't like possible consequences of modding in general, that's it.
Now if the game was made from the begining with modding in mind it would be an entirely different thing, and we wouldn't have this discussion at all

exactly