Why does my spit spin around before engine start..?

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Originally Posted by SEE

Maybe sometime we can have Working Windsocks - if there is wind I want to know its direction and how damned windy it is .......

Thought there was windsocks in CoD? Or am I thinking of RoF?

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Thought there was windsocks in CoD? Or am I thinking of RoF?

Oleg promised windsocks, but they got blown away in the dynamic weather, the spit spinning thing is a bug, its that simple. Wherever I play (online servers) the spit spins as soon as I spawn, nothing to do with prop wash.

[pupo162]

i bleieve it is a bug.

i Have it every time i set up a Online flight, and my plane jsut slides or spins, like it was on a icefield.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Oleg promised windsocks, but they got blown away in the dynamic weather, the spit spinning thing is a bug, its that simple. Wherever I play (online servers) the spit spins as soon as I spawn, nothing to do with prop wash.

Yes, Oleg promised and delivered...



This guy is a joke... You don't even read all posts an jump here ASAP to talk crap! Congratulations! Number one critic of CloD!

Read all other posts and you will see why Spits spins as soon as you spawn...

To the "new" wind guy, the FM expert: nice! Now you know how winds works in CloD. Maybe some tweak is needed. I believe that smoke animation can be more affected by wind, and maybe less effect over Spitfires grounded. We need more work on this point.

But don't change the subject... You AGAIN don't go in FMB to test things and jump here to talk a lot. You never learn. You don't even test in FMB if the plane stops spinning facing wind and now will bother the world as a expert in winds behaviour.

Bye!

Originally Posted by LoBiSoMeM

Yes, Oleg promised and delivered...



This guy is a joke... You don't even read all posts an jump here ASAP to talk crap! Congratulations! Number one critic of CloD!

Read all other posts and you will see why Spits spins as soon as you spawn...

To the "new" wind guy, the FM expert: nice! Now you know how winds works in CloD. Maybe some tweak is needed. I believe that smoke animation can be more affected by wind, and maybe less effect over Spitfires grounded. We need more work on this point.

But don't change the subject... You AGAIN don't go in FMB to test things and jump here to talk a lot. You never learn. You don't even test in FMB if the plane stops spinning facing wind and now will bother the world as a expert in winds behaviour.

Bye!

Yes we have windsocks, we know that, but do they work, Ive not seen a windsock blowing whilst my spit is spinning around. Now take a chill pill big boy.

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Yes we have windsocks, we know that, but do they work, Ive not seen a windsock blowing whilst my spit is spinning around. Now take a chill pill big boy.

Unbelievable...

[PeterPanPan]

The bottom line is that this spinning behaviour just isn't right. I have never seen a real or virtual light aircraft start spinning with it's engine off in the way it sometimes happens in CoD. Even if (and I'm not saying it is) it is the wind or the incline or whatever, it just isn't right that you would climb into an aircraft that is spinning. Total immersion killer. If this was happening in reality (for whatever reason) you would chock it, tie it down or have your crew hold the wings before you got in. The simple fact that a Spit, with engine off, should start spinning as if it is on a perfectly smooth motorized vehicle turntable is enough for me to say it is a bug. It is an inaccurate model of a real world situation.

PPP

[Blackdog_kt]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Yes we have windsocks, we know that, but do they work, Ive not seen a windsock blowing whilst my spit is spinning around. Now take a chill pill big boy.

Watch the video mate, they work.

Originally Posted by Ataros

Making and testing online missions I fixed Spitfire rotation issue by reducing wind AND gust power to 1-2 maximum AND setting different direction for them.

Planes also rotate when spawn on an inclined surface btw. Pay attention to this, the incline is often hardly noticeable.

Brakes in British planes require different control key than in German planes (3 keys set up in total for all planes).

Not a bug.

Pretty much this, thanks for saving me the time to type it all over again.

Is it possible that the ground friction as relates to aircraft weight needs some tweaking? Very possibly so.

The basic premise of this behaviour however is just like it should be. Try the cross country mission with a fully loaded blenheim (doesn't spin until you start the engines, then it spins due to prop effects), then try it witha Tiger Moth (turns to the right with the engine off but stops once it's aligned with the wind).

Plus, if people don't know how to work their brakes it confuses them further. I'm not going to retype everything from scratch, there's a sticky FAQ on the front page explaining brakes and other controls

We've got tons of information collected by various people who spent their time testing instead of playing so that the rest can benefit from it and overcome the lacking documentation. Use that information already people

[LoBiSoMeM]

Originally Posted by PeterPanPan

The bottom line is that this spinning behaviour just isn't right. I have never seen a real or virtual light aircraft start spinning with it's engine off in the way it sometimes happens in CoD. Even if (and I'm not saying it is) it is the wind or the incline or whatever, it just isn't right that you would climb into an aircraft that is spinning. Total immersion killer. If this was happening in reality (for whatever reason) you would chock it, tie it down or have your crew hold the wings before you got in. The simple fact that a Spit, with engine off, should start spinning as if it is on a perfectly smooth motorized vehicle turntable is enough for me to say it is a bug. It is an inaccurate model of a real world situation.

PPP

Start with "brakes on" by default?

I have an axis for my wheel brakes. I keep it in full brakes until start taxi. I don't have this "spinnig in idle with Spitfire bug"... Because I always start with brakes on.

If people want a "Chocks in" option, with animated ground crew to remove shocks, will be REALLY nice! But claim that it's a "bug" if you can't start game with brakes on... I don't know if it's right... I have my doubts...

To Tree, my fully working windsock and my non-spinning Tiger Moth with 0 m/s wind...



It's so "immersion killer" have winds acting...

PS: but RoF one is cooler:

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Originally Posted by TUCKIE_JG52

That's a different question.

Well it is not a question, it is an observation..

The observation being that the Australian Bureau of Meteorology does NOT send out warnigs to civil airports for wind speeds less than 18mps (39mph)

Originally Posted by TUCKIE_JG52

One question is if the plane should face the wind. The answer is yes.

The question?

I don't recall anyone asking that question?

But at least we agree on the answer, in that I pointed out in my 1st post in this thread that the plane should stop turning once it is 'in line' with the wind. Assuming it is the wind that is causing it to spin.

Originally Posted by TUCKIE_JG52

The other question is... how many speed of wind is needed to face the wind in a grass field?

In essance we really don't need to know the exact number.. What we do know is the Australian Bureau of Meteorology does NOT send out warnigs to civil airports for wind speeds less than 18mps (39mph). Which means there is no fear of a plane moving due to winds less than 18mps (39mph).

Originally Posted by TUCKIE_JG52

Well, obviously the speed of wind needed will be high, since plane weights and it's wheels have friction, plane will not rotate except in case of a very strong wind.

Agreed

Which means there is a 'bug' in IL-2 CoD because we are seeing planes move, turn, spin at speeds far less than 18mps (39mph).

Originally Posted by TUCKIE_JG52

This weekend I'll fly a real taildragger again but from a grass field. If there's some wind I'll do the test to see what happens

That would be interesting, but, does this tail dragger have the same surface area and weight of a WWII configured Spitfire? If not I don't see how the test results will prove anything one way or another.

Originally Posted by TUCKIE_JG52

Anyway, most of the things we are discussing in this post will be adressed, since Luthier told that the taxiing behaviour will be corrected (I hope, introducing propwash and some more friction to the ground when static).

One thing I have learned over the years about software companys is that 'talk is cheap'.. Ill belive it when I.. if I see it!

In Summary
IMHO it is a bug that a WWII configured Spitfire will sit and spin in winds of 10mps (22mph) based on the FACT that the Australian Bureau of Meteorology does NOT send out warnigs to civil airports for wind speeds less than 18mps (39mph). Which means there is no fear of a plane moving due to winds less than 18mps (39mph).