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Old 01-01-2008, 10:27 AM
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How many hours do you have flying?? Have you flown in a REAL WW2 aircraft? Thought not.

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Well actually I have not "Flown a REAL WW2 aircraft", only been a passenger and I suppose that that does not count to a legend like yourself. I have also clocked up many hours with a mate when young while he got his pilots licence. I just didn't have the money to do mine. My apologies for being such an unworthy peasant.

I also never said that Oleg is always right, but I haven't yet seen one of the mods develop their own game engine and produce a complete sim/game from scratch. Oleg has to draw lines in the sand at certain points and even that doesn't make him always correct, so get off the worshipping Oleg crapp!

I generally remain quiet in these forums and for good reason. It's blowhards like yourself that think that blurting out that you "Flew a REAL WW2 aircraft" (oh wow please stop so I can bow at your feet oh great massiah", that think that you know more than the people that spent thousands of hours trying to please every whining son of a goat that expects that they know more. BLOW IT OUT YOUR ARSE MATE!

I am not against mods and would dearly love to see how much this IL2 has left in it. But that does not validate hacking into code to achieve it, now matter how talented and well meaning the mods are.

I shall bid you good night now.
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Old 01-01-2008, 10:29 AM
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Ha Ha!

For someone that doesn't post much, I just cracked the 100 on this redicoulous thread.

Not that it's worth anything LOL.

Good night all.
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Old 01-01-2008, 01:57 PM
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Well actually I have not "Flown a REAL WW2 aircraft", only been a passenger and I suppose that that does not count to a legend like yourself. I have also clocked up many hours with a mate when young while he got his pilots licence. I just didn't have the money to do mine. My apologies for being such an unworthy peasant.

I also never said that Oleg is always right, but I haven't yet seen one of the mods develop their own game engine and produce a complete sim/game from scratch. Oleg has to draw lines in the sand at certain points and even that doesn't make him always correct, so get off the worshipping Oleg crapp!

I generally remain quiet in these forums and for good reason. It's blowhards like yourself that think that blurting out that you "Flew a REAL WW2 aircraft" (oh wow please stop so I can bow at your feet oh great massiah", that think that you know more than the people that spent thousands of hours trying to please every whining son of a goat that expects that they know more. BLOW IT OUT YOUR ARSE MATE!

I am not against mods and would dearly love to see how much this IL2 has left in it. But that does not validate hacking into code to achieve it, now matter how talented and well meaning the mods are.

I shall bid you good night now.
Well, I guess you told me didn't you!!!

Anyway, Happy New Year to you!

BTW, clown, I have a degree in Military History, do you? Or Oleg Maddox? Again.......thought not!


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Old 01-01-2008, 02:10 PM
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errr. and that is important because of....???

Regarding these things I would trust an aviation engineer rather than an historian any day LOL

clown... makes me giggle

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Old 01-01-2008, 02:17 PM
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errr. and that is important because of....???

Regarding these things I would trust an aviation engineer rather than an historian any day LOL

clown... makes me giggle

happy new year to u too
If you insist.

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P.S. As he is a aviation engineer, I wonder why there are so many planes are inaccurate? Starting with loadouts, to CG when fuel tanks are emptied. Maybe he should have asked a historian about the planes, then the Corsair I would be in the game as a F4U-1. The Corsair I was used as a training plane, never seen combat under the FAA flag. Don't get me wrong, at this point in time this series is the best on the market. He really needs to be more carefull with the next series. It takes more than a engineer to make a accurate and fun aviation sim.

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It amazes me how people constantly forget a few things when discussing stuff like this about this sim.

1-This sim is built on an engine that is what.... 10 years old? If I am not mistaken I believe this engine started out as a space sim....

2-This engine in it's current form is 7 years old..

3-There are over 200 flyable aircraft in this sim of various sizes & specs, each one flies a bit different.

4-I challenge any of you to find a better WWII combat sim on thre market.. or one that models FMs better than this one. Warts and all.. there isn't one. I tried the 1% planes from CFS, when I could get that POS to work on my PC with my FFB joystick... and IMO it is not close.

Personally although there are issues with this sim I would still rather see the FMs either totally locked or decided by one source... rather than a hodgepodge of diffeeing FMs for differing planes based on what people think is right. But hey.. thats me.
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If I am not mistaken I believe this engine started out as a space sim....
Wow!
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Old 01-01-2008, 05:50 PM
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Personally although there are issues with this sim I would still rather see the FMs either totally locked or decided by one source... rather than a hodgepodge of diffeeing FMs for differing planes based on what people think is right. But hey.. thats me.

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Old 01-01-2008, 06:35 PM
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If it was only the soundmod (sounds) i wouldnt have any problems with this situation whatsoever. If it was done in a way where the code didnt have to be illigaly cracked i wouldnt have any problems with it.

Sadly this brings along a bunch of other bs that are totaly unexepteble. Everybody knows that the new mods are done by people based on a feeling on how it should be. So maby the Italian guns are way to weak, but the modder has no way of knowing how it really should be...if they are infact to weak to begin with, who knows?

As for 6Dof? Well, 4Dof or 6Dof makes no differanse to me, anybody can bye a Trackir (As long as it works like Leitmotiv says, no gaping holes and such)


Its all the other crap that makes cheating to easy that irretates me. The cheats that pretty much cant be detected even if u had a track of the offender.


Sound in the end doesnt hurt anybody in that sence, same with 6Dof...kind of like improving what we allredy have ingame.


Personally though, i still have a problem with the starter of all this (sound) was done illigaly against Olegs wishes. (or maby sounds where done after BECAUSE the code was cracked, i dont know really. )

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Old 01-02-2008, 02:10 AM
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BTW, clown, I have a degree in Military History, do you? Or Oleg Maddox? Again.......thought not!


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Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

So you have a piece of paper and I am a clown.

BIG FREAKIN' DEAL

Is this where I get down and bow to you again?

I tell you one thing IMHO mate. For a bloke that has this almighty degree (from a uni I am supposing), you have an interesting perspective on things.

Oh and for once you are right. This humble CLOWN does not have a degree in military history. Man, now I feel so low and shameful without a piece of paper that I might just crawl away and hide with the rest of the unknowing, unworthy vermin.

I will tell you something else that most other people probably already realise. There are doctors, lawyers, engineers, professionals (and for that matter tradesmen) of all types that have degrees, diplomas, trade certificates and a heap of other pieces of paper to their name. This DOES NOT guarantee that they know what they are on about. As a matter of fact I have encountered many of the above over the years that, although they too have a piece of paper, I wouldn't let them anywhere near me or even my dog for that matter.

So I am happy to be a clown then. At least I get a big red nose, fuzzy hair, rediculous clothes and big floppy boots.

You can just sit snugly with your piece of paper and feel all warm and fuzzy in the belief that this has placed you on this great gold leafed pedestal. If you think that having a piece of paper automatically entitles you to look down on those that don't and automatically makes your opinion correct while theirs are null and void. Then my friend, you have a fair bit of learning to go yet. The paper means that you passed a certain mark. It does not automatically make you an instant guru. I hope that with a degree as a foundation, you can over time become a wise man filtering though the garbage, learning and contributing back into your chosen profession. This way you can eventually pass on more accurate knowledge to someone else with a degree, or maybe even those without one. Oleg has contributed a hell of alot I believe to the best of his knowledge, budget and time restraints. There are others that obviously are capable of improving the sim and I am sure, have the best intention. It still costs Oleg to take these blokes on. Even if he doesn't pay them directly and they do it for free. It costs Oleg time, resources and money to review the things submitted. Maybe Oleg should look at a way to have a portal with someone to filter through the submissions; Then you have a trust problem with the code. I don't have a perfect answer to this debacle as proper legit mods would certainly boost the interest in the community and I would even be happy to pay for a well put together legitimate mod.

Oh and thanks. I sincerely wish you and your family well in the new year also.

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