IL2 and Sound Modding

[stalkervision]

Originally Posted by crazyivan1970

DerAlte...talking about grudge...jeez man, chill. It`s a holiday season, relax, have a drink or something

P.S. as was already stated, SOW will have MP and SP separated... so, there.

That is the best Maddox News I have heard in a long time!

Now what will the on-liners have to cry about...?

[OMK_Handsome]

No 'crying' here. Just a coming to terms with twits like this who are handed the tools on a plate.


"Yes, after the nutcases at the Zoo and other forums.... CRACK IT !!!! F**K THEM !!!

If maybe they keep their mouths shut, I would say OK, we have ours and they theirs, but not anymore. All I want is revenge..... nothing but sweet revenge. I want to see "THEIR" game "RUINED".

That's right........I hold a grudge for a REAL LONG TIME !!! "

[F19_Klunk]

many abbrevations come to mind: omg, lol, wtf, ffs, lmao and omg again. i can almost see you guy's throbbing veins on your temples

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by OMK_Handsome

No 'crying' here. Just a coming to terms with twits like this who are handed the tools on a plate.


"Yes, after the nutcases at the Zoo and other forums.... CRACK IT !!!! F**K THEM !!!

If maybe they keep their mouths shut, I would say OK, we have ours and they theirs, but not anymore. All I want is revenge..... nothing but sweet revenge. I want to see "THEIR" game "RUINED".

That's right........I hold a grudge for a REAL LONG TIME !!! "

I saw that too. If thats the mentality of modder's, it really makes me wonder if they are after a more realistic/historical sim or just a plain arcade version of what they think is right despite what anyone or any document says.

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

I saw that too. If thats the mentality of modder's, it really makes me wonder if they are after a more realistic/historical sim or just a plain arcade version of what they think is right despite what anyone or any document says.

I know that guy and his brother. If you bothered to read between the lines, it was his jab at the rabid anti-mod crowd, hoping they would jump on it (like you did ) and maybe cause a few heart attacks. If you noticed the caps at certain places, you would see the sarcasm in it.

With some of the posts from the "anti-mod" crowd, I wonder about the mentality of them.

I think it is about time to lock all these threads and have no more. The Zoo keepers were right to forbid such threads.

DerAlte

[LEXX]

I saw that too, and its kinda funny -- no less so than BillFish's Classic a few pages back suggesting that the customers who paid for the sim don't have any valid opinions.

When Oleg poasted the news possibly opening BoB And Beyond to modding for Offline play and mod friendly servers, we were told that Oleg's plan would kill the next sim. So, even Oleg Maddox was indirectly accused of..."wanting to kill the (next) sim."

[LEXX]

Nope -- I was wrong.

I *think* BillFish referred to Offline players who are modding up, which is probably a minority of Offline players as of now.

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by LEXX

I saw that too, and its kinda funny -- no less so than BillFish's Classic a few pages back suggesting that the customers who paid for the sim don't have any valid opinions..............

Get your quotes correct.......My statement was quite clear, that being "offline players opinions as to "online play" are invalid".......More so, there is nothing anyone can do to affect an offline players enjoyment of the sim....However, any and all changes, mods, hedges, hacks, & cheats affect online players greatly as it is crucial that online play be balanced and fair. Can it be made better, you bet. Can it be made rediculously intollerable....Absolutly.

In this case however with the good has already come significant bad....and it's only getting worse.

So for offliners to be trying to dictate that which only affects others.....That's frankly wrong and says much for the spirit of "community" they have. So no, as to online play their opinions do not count.

Doesn't mean they can't state them, doesn't mean they're wrong or right.....Just quite simply it does not affect them only onliners.

Or is this concept too difficult to grasp?......I'm betting you get it

[LEXX]

Got it! Offline players have no opinion on, and Offline modders present no danger to, anonymous public server gameplay. Offline players can enjoy modding up by themselves.

There is a growing number of Online players modding up, so your stake as an anonymous public server player is to keep Online modders out of the open public servers you play in. How do we accomplish this?

In the long term, Oleg's possible "formula" for BoB And Beyond covers the following two options...

Oleg's Forumula:
(1) Modding for Offline play and Online open-mod servers.
(2) No Modding for Online no-mod servers.

For now, in this sim (FB/PF), we can't do this very well, at least without work on the part of server admins to find and eliminate public cheaters. If Oleg can close the hole in 4.09, and it remains unhacked, while Offline and Online players wishing to use modded 4.08 (or maybe 4.09beta ??), then we might get the 2 options above in the last stages of this sim.


BillFish::

So for offliners to be trying to dictate that which only affects others.....That's frankly wrong and says much for the spirit of "community" they have. So no, as to online play their opinions do not count.

It affects not only others but the Offline players themselves because its a largely shared sim (not quite -- for example, no Respawn for Offline players). A too deeply shared sim needs to be somehow "split" so that customer options or modding don't present the ability to exploit them in the anonymous public servers that choose not to allow these customer options or modding.

[Ratsack]

Originally Posted by Billfish

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So for offliners to be trying to dictate that which only affects others.....That's frankly wrong and says much for the spirit of "community" they have. So no, as to online play their opinions do not count.

Doesn't mean they can't state them, doesn't mean they're wrong or right.....Just quite simply it does not affect them only onliners.

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Geez, listen to yourself! All this 'dictatin' going on.

I have seen on-liners get hysterical about prop pitch and trim control. Everybody got their trim nerfed just so some on liners wouldn't get their panties in a bunch. Prop pitch now only works on CSP planes. Yeah, only on liners can have their enjoyment of the game affected.

Whether you like it or not, mods to the sim may very well be popular with a wide range of players, including off liners. Your position that modding only affects online play is nonsense.

It affects everybody, and what you see as bad some will see as good. To label their opinions irrelevant is, as I said before, arrogant. You're only seeing your little patch of the game and your little problems.

cheers,
Ratsack