Thread about the 109

[NedLynch]

The loosen strap view may need fixing, but as you mentioned people are finding ways to work around it.

Love the videos from Soren btw.

However the thread is named the 109 thread, so pretty much everything about the 109 should be permissable, not only the gunsight topic.

[CaptainDoggles]

I dunno guys, until about a week ago I didn't even know the seatbelts function existed.

I fly the 109 on full real with 6dof trackir and have no issues keeping the ring in view.

I was actually just asked about this via PM and I was saying that for me the trick is to unload when you fire. Point the nose where the target will be in a few seconds, center the stick, and then fire as he flies through your gunsight (snapshot). It's a different method than pulling lead on your target, using the elevators to keep it there, and firing (tracking shot).

It's much harder to keep the ring in view if you load factor isn't staying constant, so why put more work on yourself?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Point the nose... where the target will be in a few seconds, center the stick, and then fire as he flies through your gunsight (snapshot). It's a different method than pulling lead on your target, using the elevators to keep it there, and firing (tracking shot).

Lol. Point the nose, what without the elevators? How many beers tonight guy?

To Luthier!!! I hope you read this thread so far. NO ONE here is using "loosen straps" view. So maybe consider making it a useful view and change it to old IL-2 "gunsight view"? Is it worth doing a poll guys or do you even care? Or is CLoD too far gone. Mabye it's just not going to happen?

[CaptainDoggles]

Re-read what I posted.

Point the nose where the target will be in a few seconds, center the stick, and then fire as he flies through your gunsight (snapshot).

You point the nose and then you unload the airframe for a snapshot. That is different from constantly pulling G's while you fire for a tracking shot.

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Re-read what I posted.



You point the nose and then you unload the airframe for a snapshot. That is different from constantly pulling G's while you fire for a tracking shot.

Bold letter now??? GunRunner would be disappointed.

You don't point the nose to where you think the target will be. You do point the crosshairs where you think the target will be and unload. It is a wing platform not a nose gun btw.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by MadBlaster

Bold letter now??? GunRunner would be disappointed.

You don't point the nose to where you think the target will be. You do point the crosshairs where you think the target will be and unload. It is a wing platform not a nose gun btw.

Wow are you really going to argue those semantics with me? First of all the 109 has 2 nose guns, both of which are more than potent enough to kill enemy pilots and cripple airframes. Secondly the difference between where the nose is pointing and where the gunsight is pointing is negligible.

You've been nothing but antagonistic. What's your problem?

[MadBlaster]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Wow are you really going to argue those semantics with me? First of all the 109 has 2 nose guns, both of which are more than potent enough to kill enemy pilots and cripple airframes. Secondly the difference between where the nose is pointing and where the gunsight is pointing is negligible.

You've been nothing but antagonistic. What's your problem?

The 109 gunsight and the straps off view. That is the problem. Hey, it's great you found a method of success. You said you didn't even know about "straps off" view and then you gave us all a lesson on how to take a snapshot in default view. I didn't need the lesson, but thanks anyway. So, we can put you down as CLoD 109 gunsight is good to go. Enjoy the game.

[Blackdog_kt]

I think they should just change the view to do what it says: tighten straps for less head-shake during violent maneuvers at the expense of how far back you can look, loosen straps to look around at the expense of more bouncing during high-G maneuvers.


As for how to keep the gunsight in view, going back to the IL2 system is as much an artificial and "gamey" solution as the implementation we currently have and i wouldn't support it.

Better to give people a feature like RoF where they can save preset views for each aircraft so that people without head tracking can quickly lean into the gunsight (those who use head tracking already can solve this) and be done with it. It would also be useful for other things, like setting up a custom compass view for the RAF aircraft, or getting a look at hard to access gauges and controls in bombers without having to use the mouse or bend our necks around with head tracking.

[trumps]

i definately prefer the 109 sight to the RAF type, i also use TiR5 and after resetting my center point when jumping into the 109 have less problems keeping it centered than with the RAF jobbies which i find drift out of focus excessively during manuvering and require me to over extend my head position to get it centered again.
regarding the 109 in combat, i pretty much fly the E-1 exclussively these days
it is an absolute weapon, i love it. it is definately a zoom and boomer, and can spiral climb away from anything. the main thing to remember is to always leave yourself an escape route if you do somehow end up in a disadvantageous situation, the 109 will out accelerate and outdive all others, literally leave em standing, so unless i know my intended target is a sure kill i don't get involved in a fight below 2k. this way i have room to dive away if i'm in the poo.
the biggest problem i find is actually spotting aircraft below me at any sort of distance, makes it hard to use effectively at times.

Cheers
Craig

[Daniël]

The placing of the German gunsight is very smart. Your richt eye sees the sight and the left can see the environment. When your both eyes would see the sight the aiming could get more difficult. You can try this by holding two fingers at different distances from your face. If you concentrate on the closest one the furthest isn't clear. If you focus on the furthest the closest isnt clear. The closest finger is the sight, the furthest the plane.
Very simple, but so smart.