IL2 and Sound Modding

[OMK_Handsome]

uf_josse...

There's talk of finding ways of controlling the effects of modding over at AAA. One suggestion is to have one person having sole control over what is and isn't available. Of course, this is un-workable as uf_josse shows. The disgruntled will just set up their own dictatorships, which will continue the process of disgruntlement...

Although un-workable, doesn't the concept ring a bell somewhere? One person saying yes or no to changes... Hme...

Over at AAA;
"Ive got nothing against FM/DM modding, as long as it's the right people who are doing it, MrJolly for example.
If, and I say this on the very very outside chance, if FM/DM models are tweeked, I think it would be a good idea to have only MrJolly perform them. That way we would be pretty safe against a, lets say FW-190Z-17-XFO4 of the empire from star wars . And we would have peace of mind to know that the modding of the FM/DM is in very good, dare I say professinal(?) hands.
Having said this, there's still the danger of cheating in online play. So im thinking that if the FM's are tweeked, couldnt the mod contain a script of somesort that stops the user of the mod from entering online games? Like a firewall or something else."

Here there is one solution offered, that of having some form of file protection included with the mod.

Is it just me...?

[Billfish]

Yet what would of "limited it" was lack of "ease" of access to tools......That refused and now a bazillion copies loose.....

Could of not advised everyone and anyone on the hows and whys.....That refused everyone becoming much better educated by the day......

Could of tried to set an example refusing anything that imbalances play......That refused more "official hedges" made by the day........

Could of devoted time to locking up mods into their own versions to not have cross over interaction........That not done.......

The discussion continues on ever creeping toward applying 4.05 work to 4.08, which translates into 4.09, as daily opinions against altering FM/DM/Weapons/etc. soften.......It will be gradual at first, then grow ever more dramatic. This is a very, very old story, people haven't changed.

Wait for it..........

K2

[Robert]

Originally Posted by OMK_Handsome

uf_josse...

There's talk of finding ways of controlling the effects of modding over at AAA. One suggestion is to have one person having sole control over what is and isn't available. Of course, this is un-workable as uf_josse shows. The disgruntled will just set up their own dictatorships, which will continue the process of disgruntlement...

Although un-workable, doesn't the concept ring a bell somewhere? One person saying yes or no to changes... Hme...

Over at AAA;
"Ive got nothing against FM/DM modding, as long as it's the right people who are doing it, MrJolly for example.
If, and I say this on the very very outside chance, if FM/DM models are tweeked, I think it would be a good idea to have only MrJolly perform them. That way we would be pretty safe against a, lets say FW-190Z-17-XFO4 of the empire from star wars . And we would have peace of mind to know that the modding of the FM/DM is in very good, dare I say professinal(?) hands.
Having said this, there's still the danger of cheating in online play. So im thinking that if the FM's are tweeked, couldnt the mod contain a script of somesort that stops the user of the mod from entering online games? Like a firewall or something else."

Here there is one solution offered, that of having some form of file protection included with the mod.

Is it just me...?

I'm sorry. Am I missing something? File protection for files that were originally protected, but are now hacked? I find that highly funny.

[DerAlte]

You know Billfish, I sometimes think that the "Modders" will try to crack, hack, or mod the patch just to see you have a heart attack.

Maybe, just maybe, if you would just shut the f*** up, they just might let you have your cake and eat it too. I just feel you have p*ssed enough people off with your ways and accusations that they will do it (and sad to say maybe even SoW) just to be spitefull. Did you ever think of that? No, I thought not.

BTW, your constent harrasment of 1C and Oleg Maddox's paying customers can get you in alot of legal trouble. If I remember correctly, driving away future and present PAYING customers is illegal in some European countries (in Germany at least). I think it would be for good of future sales of BOTH 1946 and SoW, that maybe 1C should think about a permanent ban for you. Some customers do not like being called cheaters and the such if they decide to use any mod, skins, missions that may be seen as a "hack, cheat, etc" by you.

Just give it a rest.


DerAlte

[Sunchaser]

Billfish, good to know the sky is going to fall a lot slower now.

You anti mod cashews almost had us convinced the sky was going to crush us all immediately.

I guess that since the online numbers are holding and the most vocal anti mod crew....you and a few others, cannot yet say:"SEE I TOLD YA SO!!", it is a good time to retreat to the "WELL IT AIN'T HAPPENED YET BUT IT WILL SOMEDAY, BE SURE!" defense.

Way to go.

[Billfish]

Originally Posted by DerAlte

........BTW, your constent harrasment of 1C and Oleg Maddox's paying customers can get you in alot of legal trouble. If I remember correctly, driving away future and present PAYING customers is illegal in some European countries (in Germany at least). I think it would be for good of future sales of BOTH 1946 and SoW, that maybe 1C should think about a permanent ban for you. Some customers do not like being called cheaters and the such if they decide to use any mod, skins, missions that may be seen as a "hack, cheat, etc" by you.

Well, I think you should make every effort to bring every legal ramification you are able to bear to impose maximum penalties to set an example around the globe....Naturally you are also more then welcome to start here and all other forums to insure my swift and unrecoverable exile....

On the other hand, I'm supposing that the decryption, alteration and redistribution of copyrighted product & trade secrets with clear deliberate malice as can easily be demonstrated via a simple walk-through on any forum would carry a greater financial consequence as well as the minor ramification on this and other forums solely here to support the designer, manufacturer & distributors product.

Then again, you might want to try your puerile pseudo-legal banter upon someone less experienced then I.

Spiteful on others part has little to do with it, that excuse simply an attempt to justify already established intentions into action.......as only a child acts contrary to defend against their wrongs....and we're not children here....are we?

K2

[jasonbirder]

On the other hand, I'm supposing that the decryption, alteration and redistribution of copyrighted product & trade secrets with clear deliberate malice as can easily be demonstrated via a simple walk-through on any forum would carry a greater financial consequence

Big words but hot air...what Software publisher would bring legal action against legitimate purchasers of their software purely for modification of their software for gameplay puposes?

Never going to happen...the furore amongst the software purchasing public would be enough to make Bill gates look like a well loved guy...

Also how would the software publisher be able to demonstrate they had suffered any financial loss if the distribution of modified files is amongst legitimate purchasers of the software...

Are there any examples of Software publishers taking any form of action at all against legitimate purchasers of their software for breach of the EULA?

Is the EULA legally enforcable or would it be considered a coercive agreement?

[DerAlte]

Originally Posted by Billfish

Well, I think you should make every effort to bring every legal ramification you are able to bear to impose maximum penalties to set an example around the globe....Naturally you are also more then welcome to start here and all other forums to insure my swift and unrecoverable exile....

On the other hand, I'm supposing that the decryption, alteration and redistribution of copyrighted product & trade secrets with clear deliberate malice as can easily be demonstrated via a simple walk-through on any forum would carry a greater financial consequence as well as the minor ramification on this and other forums solely here to support the designer, manufacturer & distributors product.

Then again, you might want to try your puerile pseudo-legal banter upon someone less experienced then I.

Spiteful on others part has little to do with it, that excuse simply an attempt to justify already established intentions into action.......as only a child acts contrary to defend against their wrongs....and we're not children here....are we?

K2

Oh,it is not "pseudo-legal" as you say. If Ubisoft decided to, I am sure they could cause alot of trouble for the sites that let you spit your venom around. There is a big differance of trying to maybe win in court for a questionable EULA (that most European and American courts say is not legal or binding) and hurting the sales of a product, present or future one.

But you must be a lawyer or something. Does it not get lonely on that soapbox of yours?

Yawn, the sky is falling, the sky is falling. We know. As we say in Germany, "ja ja", every German knows what that really means.


DerAlte