Blow up

[bw_wolverine]

I have to agree with Blackdog about the damage model.

I've still been able to cause some explosions (wings taken off, fuel blows up, etc) with my .303s, but they're much more rare which I feel is as it should be.

I've had situations where prolonged 'exposure' to enemy fire has resulted in a Spitfire full of holes, but otherwise still operable. This is usually when I'm getting shot up from directly 6 o'clock. My controls get damaged, but not often does my engine start to suffer unless they get a lucky shot. More often, my guns get damaged (after one particular enemy attack which peppered my wings, I had only one gun left operable out of 8!)

Not so if I'm attacked with some deflection. If bullets strike my nose, I've got problems (engine and fuel are all up there!).

Perhaps some of the aerodynamics aren't perfect when dealing with airframe damage, but I still think the damage is leagues ahead of 1946.

You get your guns lined up and your shots on target from as close a distance as you can and hope for the best. If you can get the shots specifically at a vulnerable spot (fuel tanks, engine, etc) all the better. If I can get an enemy plane smoking or otherwise visibly in difficulty, I usually don't waste any more bullets on him if I absolutely don't have to. Physics will do the rest for me and I'll have more bullets for the next guy

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by drewpee

+1

It's hard work in the 109. In the past a good 2 second blast will at least disable its ability to be a fret. I hope it's a bad DM and will be fixed. If not I for one need to be more disciplined in my style of dogfighting and not get suckered into a turn fight.

Obviously guys you are not the ones I met that took out my pilot head

[drewpee]

Damaging things like control surfaces from a 6 attack might not kill the pilot but it should disable the ability to turn fight. Things like shredding the oil cooler (easy target) should seize the engine in no time. Pumping the wings full of holes and a plane is no longer as aerodynamic. Ive managed to escape and fly home with the wing of my 109 on fire. If the damage model was correct any one of these things should mean it's time to ditch or bail.

[Stealth_Eagle]

Reading through this section is fairly interesting for me. I, personally, am not the best fighter pilot you will run into but I know how to lead and be able to blow off wings of FW 200 with my secret custom belting (surprisingly, it actually is historical to an extent). As for the 109 damage model, it is quite well modeled personally and in my Jabo attack run against the British radar, I lost maybe about 2 feet off my right wing. It felt like I was going to spin out but I somehow returned back to my base safe and sound (perhaps because I can take damage better than the AI). So that is what I think would happen in real life because a bit back, a skyraider landed safely with only 1/2 of its right wing lost in a colision with a P 51.

[Crumpp]

Pumping the wings full of holes

Does not do much to the airplane.

[trumps]

Tree ol mate, you are flying the wrong 109! The E 1 is an absolute deamon, I have been flying it a fair bit on the SYN server and it absolutely shreds anything I come up against, though I must admit to primarily aiming for the pit area of my intended targets. It has a load of ammo, and with my convergence set at 150m does a fine job of ruining the Tommy's day!

Craig

Yeah maybe your right, i like to get in close as well, currently my convergence is 150 canon and 200 mg's, i will try the E1 at 150 like you suggested.

[trumps]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Yeah maybe your right, i like to get in close as well, currently my convergence is 150 canon and 200 mg's, i will try the E1 at 150 like you suggested.

Last week on the syndicate sever I tallied up 62 kills over 3 sessions, with I would guess just over 50% being bombers. For the loss of abot 3 planes, one of which I was killed in when I collided with a wimpy. This was all in an E1 with it 4 mg's. The thing is a beast in my opinion, best plane in the game!

I am by no means an expert, I just try to always fly to the planes strengths, and am patient, it's just like a game of chess the way I see it, forcing the enemy to fly the way you want him to

Craig

[Jabo2009]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

Ive been flying a fair bit recently, mainly the 109E3 on the syn full realism server. I have had many victories in the 109 but they are all hard fought, unless you are lucky enough to get a pilot kill you have to do many passes on a Hurri or Spit to bring it down or force it to leave the fight. I have never blown a wing off, or seen a plane blow up. I have sat right behind a spit just under its tail on many occasions and then slowy raised my nose and blasted it at point blank range with canons and mg's only to see the spit pull a hrad turn and start to battle with me. I have tried all different ammo load outs to the same effect. To me it seems something is definately wrong with the DM model.

I tested ammo as well and:

YES the DM really needs some work...dont get me wrong I dont want to cut a wing with just one cannon blast as we could occasionally do in IL-2 46 but the fact, that it's sometimes taking 3 or more attempts to shoot a target down (good hits on every single attemp for about 2-3 secs) isnt realistic IMO.

also tried differnent ammo on different planes...but some of the planes dont fall/explode whatever even when your putting endless lead into them...

havent seen a single in game blowup by the way...

hope 1C will do further work on this

[esmiol]

it is not the DM who need fix... but the ego of some people

before to say that DM is not good... learn to shoot guys! and use the script to check if you really touch a vital point of the ennemy plane.