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Old 08-12-2011, 06:27 PM
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I hope that those of you with the "I'm happy w/out guns" attitude never have to be placed in a situation where someone else has one and is intent on hurting you. I'm posting here because the man that entered my home (I was 15) was intent on hurting anyone present. I was armed. I won. I don't feel bad about winning either. I never thought it would happen to me. I lived in an upper middle class neighborhood. No gang activity, no drug dealers and no deviants. But the man had a car, he drove from his neighborhood to mine. And my home looked ripe for the picking.

I pray you never have to be forced into a situation and once in a while I have a bad dream about it, but I wake up and tell myself "you survived, you have nothing to be ashamed of". It can happen to you and if your country or city or state has disarmed you your government is saying it doesn't trust you nor do they care if you live or die. They don't care about your god given right to live a happy life free from persecution. Remember something folks, the bad guy can always get a gun, even in a country where guns are outlawed. I'm sure you know that drugs are illegal to have inside of prisons, where the population is controlled and watched 24/7. Yet drugs are one of the biggest problems in prison. Outlawing something doesn't really do anything, except make it possible to prosecute the person at a later date. If he's caught. Apply that to firearms. How are outlawed guns going to help keep you safe?
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Old 08-12-2011, 06:35 PM
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Bing-Go! People outside of the US never think that they might be writing someone that actually had to defend themselves from an attacker using a weapon. They've never experienced 2 persons kicking down their front and back doors at 4 AM and they be armed with a shotguns and wearing a ski masks.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:23 PM
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They've never experienced 2 persons kicking down their front and back doors at 4 AM and they be armed with a shotguns and wearing a ski masks.
You have a woman's purse!!!

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Old 08-12-2011, 06:40 PM
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I hope that those of you with the "I'm happy w/out guns" attitude never have to be placed in a situation where someone else has one and is intent on hurting you. I'm posting here because the man that entered my home (I was 15) was intent on hurting anyone present. I was armed. I won. I don't feel bad about winning either. I never thought it would happen to me. I lived in an upper middle class neighborhood. No gang activity, no drug dealers and no deviants. But the man had a car, he drove from his neighborhood to mine. And my home looked ripe for the picking.

I pray you never have to be forced into a situation and once in a while I have a bad dream about it, but I wake up and tell myself "you survived, you have nothing to be ashamed of". It can happen to you and if your country or city or state has disarmed you your government is saying it doesn't trust you nor do they care if you live or die. They don't care about your god given right to live a happy life free from persecution. Remember something folks, the bad guy can always get a gun, even in a country where guns are outlawed. I'm sure you know that drugs are illegal to have inside of prisons, where the population is controlled and watched 24/7. Yet drugs are one of the biggest problems in prison. Outlawing something doesn't really do anything, except make it possible to prosecute the person at a later date. If he's caught. Apply that to firearms. How are outlawed guns going to help keep you safe?
Exactly.

Some years ago here in my area in the UK a man, who apparently was insane, randomly entered a house in a residential area and killed 3 members of the family, actually chasing one outside in the park and finishing him there and then. This bad stuff happens here as well, but again, as long as it doesn't bother you directly..
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:09 PM
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Remember something folks, the bad guy can always get a gun, even in a country where guns are outlawed.
Very true. But with a wider availability of guns the probability and method by which illicit guns find themselves in circulation increases and expands.

The dumb teenager who sneaks his dads gun out. The children who go rooting around the house. The burglar who comes across a 'safely' locked gun cabinet. The responsible gun-club member who accidentally left his pistols on the train. It's also the chancers who during a riot helped themselves to some armament from the gun store.

This is but a taster of how guns slip out from their preferred habitat and into irresponsible hands regardless of gun-control. And this is what Great Britain has to look forward to.

I lived on Walworth Road in London a few years back. I was only there 2 years and there were 2 shootings within 200 yards of my flat (heard them, didn't see them). One was a drive by, the other, I think, was an argument in a club that spilled out into the street and got tasty. With more guns in Great Britain I believe we will see more of these things, not less.

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I'm sure you know that drugs are illegal to have inside of prisons, where the population is controlled and watched 24/7. Yet drugs are one of the biggest problems in prison.
I actually think marijuana is informally encouraged these days. Safer for the staff that way.

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Outlawing something doesn't really do anything, except make it possible to prosecute the person at a later date. If he's caught. Apply that to firearms. How are outlawed guns going to help keep you safe?
I'm not arguing for putting the genie back in the bottle, I don't want him let out in the first place. Mercifully, in Great Britain we still have that option.
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Old 08-12-2011, 07:26 PM
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The dumb teenager who sneaks his dads gun out.
You cannot live in a free society with guns available and have no control over your kids. <-- BIG HINT Almost all problems can be traced back to this. Kinds having kids.

I grew up around them. They were not mysterious objects or things that I was told not to touch by my mom or dad. Dad like me had every thing loaded in the house all the time. It's just that way it's just loaded. But we never thought about using them for any other reason than sport and defending yourself or your family.

I was hunting with my family at 7 and shot my own deer at 9 and processed the entire deer all by myself with my dad telling me what to do each step of the way. He did that so as to get it out of the way that if you shoot it you eat it and you process it entirely. I did the same thing to my son. That way he will know what is involved at each step from shot to dinner.

There was no fascination with firearms that you may have by this statement that these kids in your example had in my house. It was always seen as a tool. It's looked at very differently.

You never played with them. They are tools.

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Old 08-12-2011, 09:00 PM
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You cannot live in a free society with guns available and have no control over your kids. <-- BIG HINT Almost all problems can be traced back to this. Kinds having kids.

I grew up around them. They were not mysterious objects or things that I was told not to touch by my mom or dad. Dad like me had every thing loaded in the house all the time. It's just that way it's just loaded. But we never thought about using them for any other reason than sport and defending yourself or your family.

I was hunting with my family at 7 and shot my own deer at 9 and processed the entire deer all by myself with my dad telling me what to do each step of the way. He did that so as to get it out of the way that if you shoot it you eat it and you process it entirely. I did the same thing to my son. That way he will know what is involved at each step from shot to dinner.

There was no fascination with firearms that you may have by this statement that these kids in your example had in my house. It was always seen as a tool. It's looked at very differently.

You never played with them. They are tools.
I've always said, " Sure am glad I'm not a deer in deer seasons, all those itchy fingered, fat bellied jerks would want to shoot my butt".
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Old 08-12-2011, 09:33 PM
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Aye. Deer season is 365 days a year. Deer season only applies to public hunting lands or leases.

On your own property you can hunt anything, anytime, using any means. You can spot light, shoot from a vehicle. My jeep is my deer blind.

Early in the morning before the sun is up you'd see a jeep out there idling and steam rising from the exhaust. Hot coffee, cigarettes and a .300 WinMag.

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Old 08-12-2011, 09:50 PM
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Aye. Deer season is 365 days a year. Deer season only applies to public hunting lands or leases.

On your own property you can hunt anything, anytime, using any means. You can spot light, shoot from a vehicle. My jeep is my deer blind.

Early in the morning before the sun is up you'd see a jeep out there idling and steam rising from the exhaust. Hot coffee, cigarettes and a .300 WinMag.
BAM!!! .300 WinMag! You're a member of the "1 shot 1 kill" corporation uh?
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Old 08-12-2011, 10:16 PM
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BAM!!! .300 WinMag! You're a member of the "1 shot 1 kill" corporation uh?
Charter member. And the 1000 yard club to
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