Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by zapatista

as it turned out:
- many new forms of cheating can now happen since the soundmod hack was released, and most of this cant really easily be detected by other users making tracks (removing cockpits, replacing cockpits, adding bright fluro skins to enemy planes..)
- links to specific mods were given showing exactly that you can now add mirrors, remove cockpit parts that block visibility, add gun gyro's ....
- its been shown you can create your own franken monster plane by cutting and pasting bits and pieces from various planes
- checksum 2 doesnt work if you use the "right" version of of the soundmod hack
- you can use any plane you like in full real servers, even if it isnt on the list
etc... etc...

i'd say that proves pretty conclusively that "cheating using the soundmod hack" is indeed happening, and that cheating is much more of a problem then it was before.

Well there is a small flaw in this logic, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bust your balls here. You state that this proves conclusively that cheating is indeed happening, that is not correct, all that proves is that cheating is possible. You also stated earlier that is it beyond doubt that cheating has increased since the sound mod was released, I have to disagree. I do have doubt that cheating has increased, I fly 90% online and I have been flying regularly for four years or more, we all know that proof or no we can just "tell" when there's real cheating going on, well that has not increased for me. I have not seen any more occurences that make me say "that had to be a cheat" than I did before. And it is not the fact that I fly this server or that server, since some of my favorite servers I can no longer get into as I have vista and they have crt=2. Call me a softy but I don't beleive there are that many in the il2 community that would cheat, I just don't think it is as bad as it's being made out to be. You say that the fact that it is possible to cheat makes onliner worry, well yeah, but how much are you supposed to worry? There was cheating before and noone went nuts like is happening now. Why is this such a huge freaking deal, I just don't see it.

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Well there is a small flaw in this logic, and don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to bust your balls here. You state that this proves conclusively that cheating is indeed happening, that is not correct, all that proves is that cheating is possible. You also stated earlier that is it beyond doubt that cheating has increased since the sound mod was released, I have to disagree. I do have doubt that cheating has increased, I fly 90% online and I have been flying regularly for four years or more, we all know that proof or no we can just "tell" when there's real cheating going on, well that has not increased for me. I have not seen any more occurences that make me say "that had to be a cheat" than I did before. And it is not the fact that I fly this server or that server, since some of my favorite servers I can no longer get into as I have vista and they have crt=2. Call me a softy but I don't beleive there are that many in the il2 community that would cheat, I just don't think it is as bad as it's being made out to be. You say that the fact that it is possible to cheat makes onliner worry, well yeah, but how much are you supposed to worry? There was cheating before and noone went nuts like is happening now. Why is this such a huge freaking deal, I just don't see it.

Because not every dick,tom or harry could do it as they can do it now with the soundhack.

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by robtek

Because not every dick,tom or harry could do it as they can do it now with the soundhack.

I've bolded the important part, they CAN do it. Thats not in contention, I haven't seen any overwhelming evidence that it IS happening (and I don't mean to say "prove it", I'm just saying I don't see it actually happening). Yes, every tom dick and harry can do it now, but not every tom dick and harry is or will do it. Sure, I'm willing to concede that there may be a small increase in cheating over this, but why do mod users get abused over this? The only reason there is even a debate over this thing is that right off the bat someone said "mod users are automatically cheater" and all the honorable and good intentioned mod users said "hey, wtf? I'm no bloody cheater". The cheaters are pretty much guarenteed not to be even involved in this argument, as they don't care about their reputation being smeared over "mods", hell, cheaters probably don't even care about the mods, thier just glad to have an avenue to cheat. I didn't have a damn thing to do with cracking the il2 code, I haven't extracted any files, if I could I would put it all back in the box, but as it stands it has been broken and my not using the mods is not going to accomplish anything but to deny me the really nifty things AAA is doing. I don't use gunsight or mirror mods online, I don't use 6dof, and do not even offline touch some of the weapon mods out there, why, because I disagree with having that kind of advantage. Does that mean I should persecute people because they "might" be using a mirror or a gunsight? Hell no! I just do my best to outfly the other sonofabitch, can't shoot down what you can't get behind, same as it's always been, same as it always will be.

[BrassEm]

Agreed US. Well written!

"I just do my best to outfly the other sonofabitch, can't shoot down what you can't get behind, same as it's always been, same as it always will be." Urufu Shinjiro.

Has the online games shut down? Or are people still flying online as usual?

[msalama]

Has the online games shut down? Or are people still flying online as usual?

Well I flew online (Svs109 & AFW that is) a lot during Xmas and frankly speaking never noticed anything out of ordinary. But then I AM a bomber / ground attack jock and thus will NOT actively seek contact w/ enemy fighters, so what do I know?

Ask Erkki, he's an excellent fighter pilot and AFAIK mostly flies online so he should know what's up I think...

[II./JG1_Wilcke]

...frankly how is anyone going to know if one has been "victimized" by a cheat online......unless its as blatant as saddling up on his six and having him hit the afterburners and "he's a dot".....what are we supposed to be looking for here.

If every time I go online I am going to have to worry about this mod and that mod and the CRT=whatever; then where is the fun. I guess its about trust; there will always be some people that want to push the limits....I guess that is fun for them. Meanwhile what do you do...find a nice group of folks to fly with in passworded servers, be a target tug, or just hang the old HyperLobby up for good!

Is it OK to have trim on a slider! Remember that fracas!

[BrassEm]

It is always gonna be out there. Every time you play online, it doesn't matter what game. It always has been.

I would like to hear Erkki's opinion if he cares to post.

[Built2spill]

~S`Gentlemen

I am an admin at Skies~Of~Fire/Skies~Of~Valor - www.skiesoffire.org. Our admins have recorded this incident also. The perpetrator AAA_Badboy is not a member of the AAA team AllAircraftArcade. He is an imposter and has been banned from both of our servers. Here is his IP for all community server admins to document/ban:

AAA_Badboy - IP: 24.19.244.48

It appears the bullets of the Spitfire (Badboy) in the n-track are guided similar to the rockets for the Ta-152C. Possibly a hack for the guns to be similar.

We have also banned another flier in our server:

Daichidiki - IP: 76.22.62.154 (Daichidoku imposter)

This visitor to our server was observed flying an indestructible Lerch...when there was not even a Lerch in the planeset. I heard this also happened in a full real server in Hlobby. This pilot was banned from both of our servers also and has not resurfaced.

We do allow the sound mod on our servers as do the majority of Hyperlobby servers. Many allow it since runtime alterations are causing problems with various operating systems ie..Vista. Our servers are configured the way they were provided by UbiSoft in the latest patch. We do not promote the use of any mods, however we are aggressively monitoring the behavior of all the aircraft in game knowing many in the community have the sound mod. Many of us have flown IL2 since 2001 and are very familiar with most if not all of the flight characteristics in game. Any bizarre anomalies are met with removal/ban from our servers.

The guys at AAA have made a sound mod for the game to merely improve the quality of the sound. They have also made a couple of the bombers and a few other AI aircraft flyable. We have met these guys on our Teamspeak comms and know them very well. They have no bad intent for flight model alterations in IL21946. They are merely just making the game more attractive to potential new fliers within this community and kicking some life into this fantastic seven year old game. The AAA are very honest and welcome anyone to their website forums to see what they are up to.

I find it ironic that as soon as we recorded this incident (n-track above), banned the mod flyer and started discussing it, it shows up here in with an elaborate description of the stats, along with several people bringing this to HanzBlixz. This within a very short period of time....hhmmmm.....curious.

Thank you for reviewing my reply. We are doing the best we can right now to keep hackers with malicious intent away from our servers. Also to report them within the community so we can try and keep them away. Over the last few months we have had a strong presence in Hyperlobby not because of any game mods, but because of a dedicated hard working team of flight sim enthusiasts that just want the community to have a great experience. We have a wide range of great maps and various planesets to accommodate all levels of expertise. One server open pit and one closed. Please stop by some time and get to know some of the SOF community. See you in the Skies! ~S`alute

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