water cannon

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I am very familiar with the use of firearms, and I can tell you about other societies where firearms control was introduced for the "greater good": Nazi Germany, Ceaucescu's Romania, Franco's Spain and many other happy regimes...

Oh, well played.

Alex Jones much?

[Lixma]

Sternjaeger, you are advocating the free(ish) sale of guns in my country. As a concerned citizen I would need some information before deciding. I have a question.

Will the UK's crime rate go up, down or be un-affected by gun ownership?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Oh, well played.

Alex Jones much?

who's Alex Jones?

Originally Posted by Lixma

Sternjaeger, you are advocating the free(ish) sale of guns in my country. As a concerned citizen I would need some information before deciding. I have a question.

Will the UK's crime rate go up, down or be un-affected by gun ownership?

Lixma, it's already there, you're free to go buy a firearm in your country, provided you can produce a gun license when you buy it. This is what I mean, there is deliberate confusion and disinformation on the matter.

The crime rate won't be affected, since criminals already have a gun. So do hunters, collectors and skeet shooters, but it's not like there's a stand-off everyday, is there? It's about the way licenses are given.

I have a question for you: how many people die of a car accident every year in this country? Shall we ban the use of cars then?


Uh and let me give you another example: you remember the shooting man in Wales not so long ago? The maniac that was driving around and shooting at people from his car? He could have been stopped instead of letting him go on the loose for 3 and a half hours if the police cars behind him had armed police officers in it. Don't you think that if the rest of the world has armed police officers and we don't, and then that kind of stuff happens, maybe it's time to reconsider things?

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

The crime rate won't be affected.

So they aren't much good at preventing crime.

Uh and let me give you another example: you remember the shooting man in Wales not so long ago? The maniac that was driving around and shooting at people from his car? He could have been stopped instead of letting him go on the loose for 3 and a half hours if the police cars behind him had armed police officers in it. Don't you think that if the rest of the world has armed police officers and we don't, and then that kind of stuff happens, maybe it's time to reconsider things?

Arming the police and allowing the public access to firearms are separate arguments. I'll let the police decide.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Lixma

So they aren't much good at preventing crime.

yes they are, it just has nothing to do with criminals, since they already have firearms. What did they find on the scum that was killed by the police in London?

Arming the police and allowing the public access to firearms are separate arguments. I'll let the police decide.

I agree, and firearms are already accessible by the public, albeit in a restricted form.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Will the UK's crime rate go up, down or be un-affected by gun ownership?

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

The crime rate won't be affected.

Originally Posted by Lixma

So they aren't much good at preventing crime.

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Yes they are.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Lixma

erm,I believe you misinterpreted what I meant.. It won't affect crime because criminals already have guns.. do I seriously have to explain this bit again?

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yes they are, it just has nothing to do with criminals, since they already have firearms. What did they find on the scum that was killed by the police in London?

I agree, and firearms are already accessible by the public, albeit in a restricted form.

hang on.

the criminals have guns, yes, a lot are reactivated firearms or eastern european. but it's the bullets that they find in short supply. rounds go for £50-100+ each. they tend to just shoot each other because it's difficult and expensive to get rounds for anything other than settling scores or sorting territory.

second, it appears and according to the IPCC, that the guy who got shot hadn't fired at police, and reports suggest it was still in his sock when they shot him. if he is brandishing the thing then fine - danger to life is obvious. if not the police ballsed it up. not helped by a bunch of them battering a 16 year old girl on the floor outside the station when the family turn up wanting to know what happened.

[Ploughman]

Nice thread.

Car = transport. Not a weapon.

Gun = Weapon. A weapon.

SternjagerII left his guns in Italy but wants to shoot guns = GO BACK TO ITALY.

We sorted?

Really, it's that simple. This is the UK, we don't do guns. Perhaps one day you'll be dancing on our national grave saying "I told you so" but I don't think so. If you want to own and shoot an arsenal of guns there's loads of places to do it, just not here. If you came here loving guns and are upset you don't get to go full-auto, it's this simple.

Leave.

The exits are clearly marked.

Go.

[baronWastelan]

would've been carnage

and would've ended in 1 day, but perhaps you prefer the alternative which is for the UK to be bled to death slowly?