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[DayGlow]

Originally Posted by unreasonable

A "we know better" attitude is hardly confined to the British!

The point is that if everyone is allowed to have a gun, then it rapidly becomes necessary for everyone to have one, as an arms race between criminals and citizens sets in. While if no-one has one, this is a common good. I agree that it makes burglary more common - but it also reduces the lethality of muggings.

There is also the accident rate to consider - I am too lazy to look it up but I would make a wager that the rate of deaths by accidental shooting in the US is higher than the UK's entire murder rate, whether inflicted with gun, knife or horrible food (eg the "Great British Sausage").

I would prefer to live in a society free of handguns and assault rifles, (although I am quite familiar with their use), but I recognize that this is not a realistic option for the USA given the NRA and the sheer number of guns in circulation.

And the death rate from automobiles is astronomically higher than either stat, so wouldn't be more prudent to get rid of cars because thy statistically kill a lot more people than any other weapon?

[Das Attorney]

lol at expanding gun ownership in Britain. Too many drunks here for that to be a good idea!

What do I need a gun for anyway? There's no wolves or bears here last time I looked. If it's against crims in my house then I'd rather knock them out with a chair leg or something instead of shooting them. Better that than think 'murderer' every time I look in the mirror afterward.

I was caught up in a shooting in Greenford once though. It wasn't much fun and I was glad to get out of there pronto. I don't think having a shooter would have helped the situation at all.

It just raises the stakes too much. I have no problem with other people in other countries carrying guns. Not here thanks though!

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by Das Attorney

lol at expanding gun ownership in Britain. Too many drunks here for that to be a good idea!

What do I need a gun for anyway? There's no wolves or bears here last time I looked. If it's against crims in my house then I'd rather knock them out with a chair leg or something instead of shooting them. Better that than think 'murderer' every time I look in the mirror afterward.

I was caught up in a shooting in Greenford once though. It wasn't much fun and I was glad to get out of there pronto. I don't think having a shooter would have helped the situation at all.

It just raises the stakes too much. I have no problem with other people in other countries carrying guns. Not here thanks though!

But is it not cheaper to eliminate these individuals from living among us peaceful people than to break an expensive handmade antique 14th century Louis V mahogany chair over their head and have to be fed and supported in a penal facility by you and the tax payers? Get your calculator out and do the math I can reload that one round for about a buck 05 vs what the cost for the expensive antique chair plus years of free rent / food / healthcare.

And unless I am the one being shot at I am not getting involved unless I am pretty sure that I know what is going on and I have as greater chance that the outcome will produce a win for me vs a win for them. This is a flight sim you do essentially the thing. You size up your opponent. You follow and stalk and wait for the right moment and go in for the shot. Same thing. You don't go blazing into battle with a unloaded or empty gun unless you're really trying to entertain the subscribers of the Darwin awards email newsletter.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by DayGlow

And the death rate from automobiles is astronomically higher than either stat, so wouldn't be more prudent to get rid of cars because thy statistically kill a lot more people than any other weapon?

No we need to ban the one common denominator in these problems. Humans. We should just ban humans. Check out the stats for alcohol related drunk driving accidents that resulted in death in Texas. Couldn't find the last couple of years but nevertheless.

1982 4,213
1983 3,823
1984 3,912
1985 3,678
1986 3,567
1987 3,260
1988 3,392
1989 3,370
1990 3,250
1991 3,078
1992 3,059
1993 3,043
1994 3,187
1995 3,183
1996 3,742
1997 3,513
1998 3,586
1999 3,522
2000 3,779
2001 3,736
2002 3,823
2003 3,675
2004 3,583
2005 3,504
2006 3,466
2007 3,363
2008 3,382

[Targ]

Originally Posted by unreasonable

A "we know better" attitude is hardly confined to the British!

The point is that if everyone is allowed to have a gun, then it rapidly becomes necessary for everyone to have one, as an arms race between criminals and citizens sets in. While if no-one has one, this is a common good. I agree that it makes burglary more common - but it also reduces the lethality of muggings.

There is also the accident rate to consider - I am too lazy to look it up but I would make a wager that the rate of deaths by accidental shooting in the US is higher than the UK's entire murder rate, whether inflicted with gun, knife or horrible food (eg the "Great British Sausage").

I would prefer to live in a society free of handguns and assault rifles, (although I am quite familiar with their use), but I recognize that this is not a realistic option for the USA given the NRA and the sheer number of guns in circulation.

Arms race?

I dont think so.

Criminals go for the low hanging fruit and much prefer robbing old ladies and the helpless.

[MD_Titus]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

yeah, I think people fail to understand that the sense of protection they're given by their home walls is just an illusion. What happened in London and other UK cities was just a mild teaser of what would happen in case of massive riots, caused by anything out of the ordinary.

Sometimes I wonder what would happen to the all British "we know it better" attitude the day shit really hits the fan and they find themselves on the wrong end of a 12"..

then a lot of the rioters could have been equally armed.

would've been carnage.

so far one guy was shot dead (gang related apparently) thsoe three blokes that got hit by a car and a couple of bystanders (not rioters or police) have gotten a kicking.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

then a lot of the rioters could have been equally armed.

would've been carnage.

so far one guy was shot dead (gang related apparently) thsoe three blokes that got hit by a car and a couple of bystanders (not rioters or police) have gotten a kicking.

Less guns= less deaths= more people= more polution=less resources=less food= more suffering

[MD_Titus]

Lol!

Okay, but make reduction of population less random?

[BadAim]

I too believe very strongly in gun control.....Everyone who owns a gun should go to a good small arms school and learn how to control their gun. I like ASAA.

[Hunden]

Originally Posted by MD_Titus

Lol!

Okay, but make reduction of population less random?

Genocide would fit that discription.