Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

The original idea for this thread was for people to post their proof of cheating that they said they had.
Really, we all know that cheating goes on in this game,as in others.It has been going on for years,in one form or another. Thats not news..

you'r being a bit revisionist there and are failing to mention the main issue, which was that this thread was started because 3 or 4 of the pro hack kiddies kept insisting for 30 pages that online cheating with the soundmod hack was not possible, and that checksum 2 still prevents it.

all that nonsense was then used to claim that the hack kiddies were really a bunch of super cool uber programmers that were going to create a fantastic new version of il2 and everybody should be grateful for the tinkering.


so this thread was started stating:

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

- Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:-
To prove cheating using the soundmod and shut the hackers up once and for all post your links to your 'proof of cheating using the soundmod'

as it turned out:
- many new forms of cheating can now happen since the soundmod hack was released, and most of this cant really easily be detected by other users making tracks (removing cockpits, replacing cockpits, adding bright fluro skins to enemy planes..)
- links to specific mods were given showing exactly that you can now add mirrors, remove cockpit parts that block visibility, add gun gyro's ....
- its been shown you can create your own franken monster plane by cutting and pasting bits and pieces from various planes
- checksum 2 doesnt work if you use the "right" version of of the soundmod hack
- you can use any plane you like in full real servers, even if it isnt on the list
etc... etc...

i'd say that proves pretty conclusively that "cheating using the soundmod hack" is indeed happening, and that cheating is much more of a problem then it was before.

[RAF_Magpie]

Originally Posted by zapatista

...
- many new forms of cheating can now happen since the soundmod hack was released, and most of this cant really easily be detected by other users making tracks (removing cockpits, replacing cockpits, adding bright fluro skins to enemy planes..)
- links to specific mods were given showing exactly that you can now add mirrors, remove cockpit parts that block visibility, add gun gyro's ....
- its been shown you can create your own franken monster plane by cutting and pasting bits and pieces from various planes
- checksum 2 doesnt work if you use the "right" version of of the soundmod hack
- you can use any plane you like in full real servers, even if it isnt on the list
etc... etc...

i'd say that proves pretty conclusively that "cheating using the soundmod hack" is indeed happening, and that cheating is much more of a problem then it was before.

Mr Zapatista, Im afraid you're incorrect in a couple of aspects here... First off, yes parts of the cockpit CAN be removed, but they arent being removed (at least @ the AAA forums). "Frankenstein" aircraft, are not a cheat, infact its no different than wearing your own skin on your own aircraft. All it does is change the look. Every 'frankenstein' aircraft, is built on an aircraft featuring a simular FM/WL/DM to the 'frankenplane' in concept - and there is NO alteration to any of the 'big three' no no's. This means that all that is different, is that the person flying the franken plane see's his tempest, as a tyhoon. Thus there is absolutly NO way that can be constituted a cheat.
Secondly, the 'using anyplane in any server' is something which is not a feature of the 'soundmod hack'. If it is infact being done, it is an additional mod, more than likely one that even out dates the more recent 'sound mod'.

I personally, however, am in agreement with you in regards to the possibility that the gyro sight and mirror additions, are perhaps rather unfair. AND the only thing I can think of that even vaguely justifies the use of these mods is that, yes, they are historically correct additions.

As for the changing of default skins, I believe that it was actually possible to do before the release of the sound mod - i remember seeing something around 6 odd months ago about it.

Now, perhaps instead of just pointing fingers, guys, how about we look into a way that we could, as a community, cap, or even direct, what happens from here...

[LEXX]

Zapatista::

[I not i -- ed. LEXX ] i'd say that proves pretty conclusively that "cheating using the soundmod hack" is indeed happening, and that cheating is much more of a problem then it was before.

Sounds like a social behavioral problem on anonymous public servers that most of Oleg's customers don't face -- why do we choose to fly with people who would cheat us? That's why I said earlier that this thread serves no purpose. Proof of hack cheating on anonymous public servers would only demonstrate a social behavioral problem with some online play cheaters.

[robtek]

@lexx
as a few posts before was mentioned: where do the people with the "social behavioral problem" get the tools to do their misdeeds?

@all

again as mentioned before: The reason for this Thread was to get proof that cheating with the sound-hack on checksum 2 "protected" Servers was possible.

That was done!!!

Thread closed??

[LEXX]

robtek::

@lexx
as a few posts before was mentioned: where do the people with the "social behavioral problem" get the tools to do their misdeeds?

Correct. The tool is not the misdeed.

[LEXX]

This may be (?) a better explanation: The hacking itself can be seen as a misdeed if Oleg personally dis-likes it, which I assume. Using the hack/mod tools to cheat in anonymous public servers is a different misdeed which is not related to using the tools for non-cheating purposes.

The mod/hack tool can have no negative effect on any type of gameplay. Only the online players in anonymous public servers can cheat in anonymous public servers and so negatively effect only anonymous public server gameplay.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by RAF_Magpie

Mr Zapatista, Im afraid you're incorrect in a couple of aspects here... First off, yes parts of the cockpit CAN be removed, but they arent being removed (at least @ the AAA forums). "Frankenstein" aircraft, are not a cheat, infact its no different than wearing your own skin on your own aircraft. All it does is change the look. Every 'frankenstein' aircraft, is built on an aircraft featuring a simular FM/WL/DM to the 'frankenplane' in concept - and there is NO alteration to any of the 'big three' no no's. This means that all that is different, is that the person flying the franken plane see's his tempest, as a tyhoon. Thus there is absolutly NO way that can be constituted a cheat.

except that if you'd actually read the whole thread you'd already know that is not the case.

the few examples i already posted of some of the franken planes had improved visibility from the cockpit, so yes, even using those constitute cheating.

Originally Posted by RAF_Magpie

Secondly, the 'using anyplane in any server' is something which is not a feature of the 'soundmod hack'. If it is infact being done, it is an additional mod, more than likely one that even out dates the more recent 'sound mod'.

not correct either, but you can try and play with words if you want to spin it in one direction or the other. i'd say the way santa clause worded it avoids most confusion...

Originally Posted by santa clause

This was done simply by using the Sound Hack and downloads available at the much argued about website. No extractor or special java knowledge or tools....just the files offered from the site and no outside link.
The Lerche was NOT a choice in the servers. The violent reaction of the players in chat as they described there feelings about cheating with mods is why several of the ntrks were not posted for all.

Originally Posted by RAF_Magpie

I personally, however, am in agreement with you in regards to the possibility that the gyro sight and mirror additions, are perhaps rather unfair. AND the only thing I can think of that even vaguely justifies the use of these mods is that, yes, they are historically correct additions.

it doesnt matter if its historical or not, what matters is that people adding bits and pieces as they see fit, and it cant be detected online, nor can it be prevented.

Originally Posted by RAF_Magpie

As for the changing of default skins, I believe that it was actually possible to do before the release of the sound mod - i remember seeing something around 6 odd months ago about it.

its now a lot easier, and every dog and cat knows where to get the files

Originally Posted by RAF_Magpie

Now, perhaps instead of just pointing fingers, guys, how about we look into a way that we could, as a community, cap, or even direct, what happens from here...

its a nice idea, but the horse has bolted, and nobody has control anymore of what happens with it from now on

[ElAurens]

Like I've said before, some of the folks at that other forum may have had the best of intentions, however they failed to take into account human nature. Once the seal to Pandora's Box was removed there was no stopping or controlling the outcome. The hacks are loose online, and there is nothing they can do about it. All the righteous words and intentions are meaningless.

You messed up.

You trusted people.

Big mistake.

Time to admit it to yourselves.

[jasonbirder]

Surely its the regular Hyperlobby players that have the issue with trust, you expect...no, indeed demand to be able to play with random, anonymous people of all ages and all nationalities and for that to be in a friendly historically accurate cheat-free environment!
Long before the Sound Mod came along there were issues with anonymous online play...whether that was suspected cheating, known exploits...(Lag Manipulation, Prnt Scrn, Disconnecting), innappropriate behaviour (bad language, abuse of chat/teamspeak), bad gamesmanship (friendly shooting, vulching, shoulder shooting, kill stealing etc etc...Thats without even mentioning the typical plane choices of many online players...
The issue is not with the Mod, but the fact that amongst Online players there will always be people who will abuse the system..whether to gain an advantage for themselves in their narrow "stat driven" mentality or simply because they enjoy spoiling other peoples fun...
Get rid of that element, be that through stronger Server Admin, Password access or private servers and you will have the gameplay you desire...Sound Mod or no Sound Mod.

[robtek]

@jasonbirder
The issue is insofar with the hack that the hack makes it possible that every tom, dick or harry can modify the game.
But that has been said many times before and i am afraid it will be ignored again.