109 e3b against spitfire II

[IvanK]

This has been argued at length. The documented values taken from Instrumented aircraft are shown in the images below. These from documents from the national archives. The Devs have these values:





So the first onset will occur at +0.1g

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by IvanK

This has been argued at length. The documented values taken from Instrumented aircraft are shown in the images below. These from documents from the national archives. The Devs have these values:
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5658/vegcutfile.jpg
http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/7585/vegcutfile2.jpg
So the first onset will occur at +0.1g

Hi. Based on a undated (? 1940-1941 who knows) sheet of paper, the Englishs was obtained this development in their all existed airplane? I guess to these modifications there is a more tangible source, when, into which airplane, where and who mounted it in? Could we see them?

Compared with this, as you wrote it in the topic (109s autoprop - did it ever existed?):
IvanK: "By general operational employment I am referring to general Squadron use, i.e. How many aircraft were equipped with it and at what date."

There were not enough to the German auto prop pitch, that were published a manual in 1939 (maybe from a joke it would be printed), and the german aug.-oct. 1940 somehow not part of the BOB era anymore...
I will be curious, there will be an automatics in the E-4, E-7 after these (Will be E-7 at all?). I hope so yes, otherwise this -beside all respect- is double standard.

[IvanK]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Hi. Based on a undated (? 1940-1941 who knows) sheet of paper, the Englishs was obtained this development in their all existed airplane? I guess to these modifications there is a more tangible source, when, into which airplane, where and who mounted it in? Could we see them?

Compared with this, as you wrote it in the topic (109s autoprop - did it ever existed?):
IvanK: "By general operational employment I am referring to general Squadron use, i.e. How many aircraft were equipped with it and at what date."

There were not enough to the German auto prop pitch, that were published a manual in 1939 (maybe from a joke it would be printed), and the german aug.-oct. 1940 somehow not part of the BOB era anymore...
I will be curious, there will be an automatics in the E-4, E-7 after these (Will be E-7 at all?). I hope so yes, otherwise this -beside all respect- is double standard.

Err what exactly are you on about Tom? The first paragraph of the document is valid. This refers to the documented value of +0.1G that cut out effects commence. Thats the relevant bit ... the remaining bit of the document refers to a "proposed system" to reduce the effects. No one is suggesting anywhere that this "proposed system" be incorporated in CLOD. The document was provided for the sole purpose of providing a documented value of cut out (in terms of G) in original early Merlins .... i.e. those without any mods at all.

This is a single page of a two page document that is dated in the usual pattern in the signature block on the last page, the document date is 21/12/1940. The remaining documents in the file are dated 20/12/1940 and 21st February 1941.

What is the relevance of the 109 Auto Prop pitch statement ??

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by IvanK

Err what exactly are you on about Tom? The first paragraph of the document is valid. This refers to the documented value of +0.1G that cut out effects commence.
...
No one is suggesting anywhere that this "proposed system" be incorporated in CLOD.

Well, the truth that I have to apologise, you're right, I responded to cheesehawk post, that myself did not check the things.
I was able to make a negative loop with the RAF types in the case that the CEM is turned off only...

Originally Posted by IvanK

What is the relevance of the 109 Auto Prop pitch statement ??

Nothing.

[Al Schlageter]

The cut out was a 2 stage event. The 1st stage caused a momentary loss of power > a lean cut out. The 2cd stage of the cut out was the more serious cut out as the float floated the wrong way and openedthe inlet fully allowing full fuel pressure to the carb and thus flooding the engine > rich cut out.