109 e3b against spitfire II

[TomcatViP]

yes if you are looking at the nbr (speed, climb and bla bla bla). But when you start to shake that tail, bank and turn it's industrial ironing vs Moscow Ballets

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

yes if you are looking at the nbr (speed, climb and bla bla bla). But when you start to shake that tail, bank and turn it's industrial ironing vs Moscow Ballets

I actually have no idea what any of that means. But I don't have trouble shooting down spitfires online unless it's the MkII variant which outclasses the 109 quite easily in almost every aspect.

As for the MkI and MkIa, the 109 can outclimb them at almost any altitude, and is faster in level flight at high altitudes.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I don't have trouble shooting down spitfires online unless it's the MkII variant which outclasses the 109 quite easily in almost every aspect.
As for the MkI and MkIa, the 109 can outclimb them at almost any altitude, and is faster in level flight at high altitudes.

+1

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by cheesehawk

I think that we're faster at sea-level too, I have yet to be caught when running for home at wave-top height. Or maybe I am just lucky enough to not have run into someone with a better grasp of CEM on the Spits yet.

You're probably right, I've never really tried it so I didn't want to say one way or the other.

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I actually have no idea what any of that means. But I don't have trouble shooting down spitfires online unless it's the MkII variant which outclasses the 109 quite easily in almost every aspect.

As for the MkI and MkIa, the 109 can outclimb them at almost any altitude, and is faster in level flight at high altitudes.

Witch one inspire you most in term of agility ?

Note that IMHO the 109's FM are great as are those of the Hurri.

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Witch one inspire you most in term of agility ?

Are you asking which RAF fighter I feel is more agile? Hard to say, probably the spitfire.

Note that IMHO the 109's FM are great as are those of the Hurri.

The 109 FM is not particularly accurate IMO. It's undermodeled (probably the RAF fighters are as well, and yes that includes the spit)

[TomcatViP]

Humm did you not see the pictures of the ballerina (aka the spit) and the iron (aka the 109) ?

Regarding the 109 FM it's not under modeled. I feel them like perfect (ok ok it lack a lot of buffeting, dyn stalls etc ..) but those are way ahead of the previous IL2 series.

If you take any IL2 moded FM as a reference of course CoD planes have lower perfs but ... it's not related anyway to the CoD devs.

They hve done a tremendous work .

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Humm did you not see the pictures of the ballerina (aka the spit) and the iron (aka the 109) ?

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Regarding the 109 FM it's not under modeled. I feel them like perfect (ok ok it lack a lot of buffeting, dyn stalls etc ..) but those are way ahead of the previous IL2 series.

If you take any IL2 moded FM as a reference of course CoD planes have lower perfs but ... it's not related anyway to the CoD devs.

They hve done a tremendous work .

The 109 and early spits don't get their historical performances. That is undermodeled. I'm not comparing it to IL2 or mods or anything.

[TomcatViP]

Rgr that. No jokes btw cats and dogs

But I hve no prob with the 109 perfs. Perhaps at alt but there is no one flying there most of the time.

Hurri is just perfect.

Spits can still out turn a hurri (in fact it seems as it can turn inside the cockpit of the hawker, raise her nose faster than a 109 at any sped and stall only for a microsecond before being given back a positive vario. Oh and the max available power is always linked to max revs low pitch making that pit awfully noisy (I wld prefer rather be on the mower for an entire day than behind that propeller for an hour ).

Frankly everyone will gain having a more realistic Spit model with contested dogfights instead of this.