UFO's and extra-terrestrial life

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Witness testimoney as well as photographic evidence indicates that in all likelyhood ET's are here. There is more proof of ET than OF Jesus and people actually think he was real and we have ZERO proof ofhis exsistance.
Check out these videos with credible military personnel from private to General talking about there UFO/ET experiances.

I read the book (The Disclosure Project) and I must say there are a heck of a lot of interesting accounts by people with excellent credentials. Fascinating read.

[Lixma]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

I read the book (The Disclosure Project) and I must say there are a heck of a lot of interesting accounts by people with excellent credentials. Fascinating read.

Credentials, schmedentials.

Over half a century of testimony of people seeing lights in the skies.

Over half a century of chancers claiming to have worked at this secret base or that.

Over half a century of friends of cousins of grandfathers crawling out of the woodwork to claim they held in their hands some weird metallic material on a ranch in New Mexico.

Over half a century of special people and their 'support groups' drearily interpreting their nightmares as alien abductions.

Over half a century of reports of 'craft' travelling this way and that at hypersonic speed through the atmosphere.

Over half a century of hundreds of flying saucers crashing into every acre of land that ever heard of a 'Grey'.

Over a decade of practically everyone in North America and Europe having a camera-phone or cam-corder.

And yet....and yet....

Not one single nut.

Not one single bolt.

Not one sliver of tangible evidence that any of this fantasy has any basis in reality whatsoever.


BTW: Google Dr.Steven Greer + 'Vectoring In' if you want a good laugh. Alex Heard gives a good account of him in Apocalypse Pretty Soon....he's a nutcase. He's the Richard C. Hoagland for the UFO community.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Lixma

Credentials, schmedentials.

Over half a century of testimony of people seeing lights in the skies.

Over half a century of chancers claiming to have worked at this secret base or that.

Over half a century of friends of cousins of grandfathers crawling out of the woodwork to claim they held in their hands some weird metallic material on a ranch in New Mexico.

Over half a century of special people and their 'support groups' drearily interpreting their nightmares as alien abductions.

Over half a century of reports of 'craft' travelling this way and that at hypersonic speed through the atmosphere.

Over half a century of hundreds of flying saucers crashing into every acre of land that ever heard of a 'Grey'.

Over a decade of practically everyone in North America and Europe having a camera-phone or cam-corder.

And yet....and yet....

Not one single nut.

Not one single bolt.

Not one sliver of tangible evidence that any of this fantasy has any basis in reality whatsoever.


BTW: Google Dr.Steven Greer + 'Vectoring In' if you want a good laugh. Alex Heard gives a good account of him in Apocalypse Pretty Soon....he's a nutcase. He's the Richard C. Hoagland for the UFO community.

Let me guess ...you think jesus is real though right with 2000 years of no evidence ha ha

[Lixma]

Umm....no.

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Let me guess ...you think jesus is real though right with 2000 years of no evidence ha ha

Actually, there is more evidence that Jesus (the man) existed, than for UFO's, which is far more than "zero". Yes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet there is none. NONE. All we are left with is a social phenomenon that is far more interesting in itself than a bunch of contradictory evidence about whether we get visited by aliens.

Even with that said, one can't logically discount the possibility any more than leprechaun invasions of Ireland, so I'll reserve total judgement until someone hands me a space-nut or bolt.

I think Jesus did exist, but whether the son of God, well...that's getting into religious discussion which I've no interest in, and would, incidentally, likely get this thread locked.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by CharveL

Actually, there is more evidence that Jesus (the man) existed, than for UFO's, which is far more than "zero". Yes, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, yet there is none. NONE. All we are left with is a social phenomenon that is far more interesting in itself than a bunch of contradictory evidence about whether we get visited by aliens.

Even with that said, one can't logically discount the possibility any more than leprechaun invasions of Ireland, so I'll reserve total judgement until someone hands me a space-nut or bolt.

I think Jesus did exist, but whether the son of God, well...that's getting into religious discussion which I've no interest in, and would, incidentally, likely get this thread locked.

Not one eyewitness account NOT ONE. Where you come saying there is more proof for jesus than ufos' is incredible. what proof..the bible is not proof its a book of theology aka story book with nothing in history to corroborate it.

[Rattlehead]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Not one eyewitness account NOT ONE. Where you come saying there is more proof for jesus than ufos' is incredible. what proof..the bible is not proof its a book of theology aka story book with nothing in history to corroborate it.

Relax with the religious talk, mate. It's off-limits.

[bongodriver]

But can we ignore the evidence of air, land and naval radar operators that have simultaneously tracked craft doing things and travelling speeds well beyond the envelope of any known aircraft? Why doesn't that count as evidence?
Is every single sighting (even by experienced pilots etc.) one of mistaken identity, tiredness or confusion?

radar traces are routinely recorded and can be saved in case of any significant event, why has no controller ever pulled the tapes on a claimed sighting? pilots are just people, we don't all think alike like robots, we are all as individual as the next person, so it is reasonable to assume 'some' pilots are inclined to believe in UFO's and magic fairies and will use their apparent social standing to prop up the credibility of their alleged sightings.

I for one don't believe the goverments of the world are capable of concealing any existence of ET's, if they really are visiting us then they are beyond the jurisdiction of our authorities, secret bases and installations are for nothing more than secret earthly research and development.

[Oldschool61]

Originally Posted by Rattlehead

Relax with the religious talk, mate. It's off-limits.

Nothing is off limits even mythology

[CharveL]

Originally Posted by Oldschool61

Not one eyewitness account NOT ONE. Where you come saying there is more proof for jesus than ufos' is incredible. what proof..the bible is not proof its a book of theology aka story book with nothing in history to corroborate it.

Calm down my friend, really. I'm not here to convert you from your UFO religion! I say "religion" because it seems you have the same sort of myopic zeal that some religious people have when their views are challenged by rational debate.

I just find it highly unlikely given what passes for "evidence" that ET has visited us, raped our cows and left sci-fi looking crop circles and aerobatics to enthrall us. Doesn't mean I'm right but let's just say I would take that bet any day of the week at good odds. Hell, in a way I wish I was wrong and some evidence would come forward since that would be the biggest scientific discovery of all time! Unfortunately, for all those years I wanted to believe, there just wasn't anything compelling enough - beyond some cool stories by sincere people - to lend any credence to the phenomenon.

Rattlesnake has the right outlook and makes a personal decision to believe there's something to the UFO phenomenon despite the unlikelyhood.

There's plenty of non-religious, yes circumstantial and sometimes circumspect, evidence of the existence of Jesus. His early Christianity wasn't even the most popular among the collection of prophets roaming around at the time, just that it was a useful tool for a certain future Roman emperor named Constantine...but that's another story.

Anyway, try not to take rational discussion personally and have an open mind to the possibility that everything you have wanted to believe may or may not be happening in the real world, and I will do the same!