Please don't argue, just look, listen and appreciate your life...

[NedLynch]

I think he means to say we are a little spoiled, which we are, at least I am in the respect that I never had to go to war, unlike other people these days who come back mangled, mauled or in a coffin from Iraq, Afghanistan and other places.
And unlike those guys who fought in WWII or any other war for that matter.

What did a soldier say to another in some WWII movie I saw, can't remember which one: " Just survive and get out of this mess and everything will be ok, everyday for the rest of your life."
I.e. there are worse things in life than a game with bugs and poor performance, especially if those things will be corrected in the future...if.

That said, yeah, I'd like to play a fully optimized, working sim with great content as well. What matters here is a little perspective. The right perspective does not mean not caring or being pasionate about this or other flight sims or taking it laying down if you spent your money on something that you feel wasn't worth it, by all means make yourselves heard and rightfully so.
It's just not the most important thing in life, it just isn't.

Oh and btw, where is Becklingen, serious question.

[CaptainDoggles]

Becklingen is about 60 km north of Hannover, about half way to Hamburg, a little bit east of the E45

[NedLynch]

Ahh, thanks for the info, Niedersachsen.
My grandfather suvived the war, his brother in law did not come home.
Hmmm, don't share this too often, granddad flew a JU52.

[retrojet]

Originally Posted by NedLynch

Ahh, thanks for the info, Niedersachsen.
My grandfather suvived the war, his brother in law did not come home.
Hmmm, don't share this too often, granddad flew a JU52.

Exactly... We're all here because of consequences that our fore-fathers dealt with... Those guys did what they believed right, given the times...

World War II was the ultimate horror in history for many reasons, but even though this small group appreciate that time 'in a sense', we still don't appreciate what cod endeavors to relate...

Real, intelligent and loved people died... But that doesn't seem to matter, in respect to the bloody FM, DM, tracer squiggle, tree color/colour... So on, and so on...

Come on guys... I think it's more than just a game... It's a respectful simulated account of how those poor young souls lived and died!

Don't drag it through the mud, point out the faults, but give it, it's dues...

[CWMV]

Originally Posted by retrojet

Exactly... We're all here because of consequences that our fore-fathers dealt with... Those guys did what they believed right, given the times...

World War II was the ultimate horror in history for many reasons, but even though this small group appreciate that time 'in a sense', we still don't appreciate what cod endeavors to relate...

Real, intelligent and loved people died... But that doesn't seem to matter, in respect to the bloody FM, DM, tracer squiggle, tree color/colour... So on, and so on...

Come on guys... I think it's more than just a game... It's a respectful simulated account of how those poor young souls lived and died!

Don't drag it through the mud, point out the faults, but give it, it's dues...

CoD endeavors to do one thing-make money.
War memorials are made of stone and bronze, not binary code.

Now maybe I come off as cynical, maybe its because I am a veteran, but this stuff about making what is in essence a big boy game and trying to pretty it up as a memorial to the men that fought the battles so as to make others avoid critical review of it is disingenuous at best.
I for one know that if there was a "Battle for fallujah 2004" simulator made, and it turned into a game of debatable quality, I would be incensed if people tried to invoke my efforts in the battles portrayed to defend a shoddy product.
Remember that you do more of a disservice to veterans when you invoke their efforts at every point of contention. Remember what they did, and how they did it, but don't ever use their Herculean sacrifice as an excuse for anything!

[retrojet]

Originally Posted by CWMV

CoD endeavors to do one thing-make money.
War memorials are made of stone and bronze, not binary code.

Now maybe I come off as cynical, maybe its because I am a veteran, but this stuff about making what is in essence a big boy game and trying to pretty it up as a memorial to the men that fought the battles so as to make others avoid critical review of it is disingenuous at best.
I for one know that if there was a "Battle for fallujah 2004" simulator made, and it turned into a game of debatable quality, I would be incensed if people tried to invoke my efforts in the battles portrayed to defend a shoddy product.
Remember that you do more of a disservice to veterans when you invoke their efforts at every point of contention. Remember what they did, and how they did it, but don't ever use their Herculean sacrifice as an excuse for anything!

Don't get me wrong, obviously a piece of software can't be held up as a memorial to those who have served and been lost in war. But I don't have to visit war memorials, or gravesides, to mourn their ultimate sacrifice. I do it by being respectful and grateful for what I have in my daily life, because of their sacrifice.

To simulate what those young guys did is as close as I'll ever get to experiencing what was unending terror to them. Of course, I'm not scared out of my mind when I fly COD, but it's still a way to appreciate their memory, just as much as reading a book, or watching a documentary... I don't throw down a history book and curse, because it doesn't end the way I want! I want to know how it was... from the perspective of the poor bastards who were forced to endure years of hell...

So, I apologize if my thread gave the wrong impression, it's not 'just' software if it helps to keep their memory alive... But I would never 'sell' it as tribute, just to make as much money as possible... And I hope the final product does not end up in the shoddy bin!

Anyway, if it's ok, I'd like to thank you for your service to your country.

All the best...