Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

your words, but if the hat fits, you know.... 20 pages of this and its been explained to you about 20 times, not sure what you'd call that.
not my words you simpleton, that is what you try to keep on saying, in your inelegant, frothy manner. there has been 20 pages of "please post evidence", and no evidence posted. just reference to the ONE track that was posted, and that was removed before i dl'd it, and the screenshots... well that showed feck all as far as i was concerned. coulda been a ckruntime=1 server for all it showed. and also, that particular "use a plane not on the planeset" cheat is the result of something other than the sound mod. as pointed out in THIS very thread. so yeah, try again zap.


you mean you are so busy typing rude posts to people and not actually reading the posts in this thread ? the poster gave it as an example of using the soundmod online recently, you think he was a plant in ninja clothing dropped in by a black UN helicopter in the deep of night ? i'd say its a bit odd you didnt download it with all the arguing about the issue you are doing here in the last week, and now your asking me to help you and repost it again ? and if you are such a smartypants didnt you even notice there is still screenshots posted in this thread from that same track by another users ?
well zap, considering the tone of your posts i'd say i've been rather restrained. and it is rich to see you saying "ignore posts" - for the love of god man, POST SOME EVIDENCE. i'd say it was odd that it was removed so quickly. and again, as posted by ooo a couple people now, that was a cheat entirely seperate from the soundmod.


there you go again with your green oranges trying to pretend they are apples. you can call them whatever you will, for the rest of us adding features that aid flying in online servers without other users having access to them, or knowing about it, is cheating !
and my point being that they are an added feature, as equally available to all equipment, like track IR. actually... no, more freely available - i don't have the money to spend on track IR.

i find it odd you cant figure these simple things out by yourself. anybody can go out and get a bigger pc, larger monitor, track it etc, the sim is designed to use them and anybody can. in fact it isnt even that "the bigger the better", a user with a 20' crt set at 1024x768 is much better at spotting distant aircraft dots then a 30' lcd user with his screen at native res.
it may be designed to use it, but not everyone has them. only those that can afford it, which is not everyone. see above.


bollocks ! the illustration of the franken planes i gave to show the cutting and pasting of plane structures was well in progress which you were denying. and even for the apparently very innocent ones i posted there was already IMPROVED FEATURES (like cockpit visibility and more transparent glass), this therefore constitutes a form of cheating if used online. i also posted a clip from your little zoo friend indicating they seem to believe that type of bastardizing is entirely normal and will continue.
ah starting to lose it there?
where exactly did i deny the frankenplanes? i have not denied them, i have merely pointed out that they use existing FM's of planes they replace. and again, more transparent glass? lame. how much difference does that actually make. the frankenplanes give cosmetic changes to existing types. it's not altered fm, dm wm, so for the G4... it is a G2 in all but appearance.


your convoluted sense of logic is flabbergasting, your now confessing you've known all along cheating is indeed possible, both in the past as well as right now ? why you keep wasting everybody's time here denying it then ?
well deary, not my fault if you can't grasp the concept of reading a few places to see what is being said. hell if people read just this thread... online would die in a day. cheating, from what i have read in the past few days when reasonable people join the thread, or in other places, has apparently existed in various forms for years. these were nothing to do with the sound mod were they, did it exist then? no. that is the point, prove the cheating that is caused by the soundmod. you SO missed the point.

no i didnt miss the point, but somehow you seem to think you'r going to be rude to people and then they are going to run around and help you just because you dont understand something, or cant find something. is that how it works in your household ? you'r going to have a bit of a rude awakening when you get out of your sheltered life you been leading.
yeah you did, you decided to turn this into a flame, try and get it locked, and then it allows you to continue with your hysterical EVERYBODY'S CHEATING flap. i have not seen it myself, i have asked people who might have, i have said please, i have received vitriol in return. if this is how it works in your house perhaps someone should call social services and have your son put with some more stable people.


poor loon, is it inconvenient for you there is other forum users whom have a different opinion to your own ? dont babble so much nonsense here and they'll probably leave you alone. just stick to the community back stabbing and childish talk in your own little forum.

no it is inconvenient that despite all of this, nothing has come of it other than a 21 page bitchfest. i like different opinions, the world would be dreadfully stagnant and boring without them. the fact that you react in such a way does not give the impression that you value others opinions any more than a starving man values a lump of coal. the childishness is entirely your own, and you are attempting to project it onto anyone that disagrees with you. continue your rant, why not get sweary and stamp your little feet and shake your little fists some more. go on, it does make for cheap amusement.

[Baron]

So, a short summery:


Promodders still wont get the arguments made/know how to define cheating/find evidance of cheating, even if it was all loaded up on a semitruck and ran over them.


But they do find the time to learn how to illigaly hack and destroy a good game.


Its wonderfull world.

[fly_zo]

Originally Posted by Baron

So, a short summery:


Promodders still wont get the arguments made/know how to define cheating/find evidance of cheating, even if it was all loaded up on a semitruck and ran over them.


But they do find the time to learn how to illigaly hack and destroy a good game.


Its wonderfull world.

it just stroked me .... you are just jealous .... you'd like to know how its done ?

BTW did you apologize to Uther yet?

[Baron]

Originally Posted by fly_zo

it just stroked me .... you are just jealous .... you'd like to know how its done ?

BTW did you apologize to Uther yet?

Come on now Zo, lets keep this Battle of the witts to one threadh.....run back to "Sound Mod" and state an oppinion, any oppinion would do at this point.


Thx.

[msalama]

U guys still want to wake me up when the carousel has stopped?

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

no it is inconvenient that despite all of this, nothing has come of it other than a 21 page bitchfest. i like different opinions, the world would be dreadfully stagnant and boring without them. the fact that you react in such a way does not give the impression that you value others opinions any more than a starving man values a lump of coal. the childishness is entirely your own, and you are attempting to project it onto anyone that disagrees with you. continue your rant, why not get sweary and stamp your little feet and shake your little fists some more. go on, it does make for cheap amusement.

ground hog day again for inspector Dreyfus ?

twitching a little, drooling a little ? LoL

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by zapatista

ground hog day again for inspector Dreyfus ?

twitching a little, drooling a little ? LoL

have you given up trying to talk sense now zap? well, i suppose it's better that you stop than continue making yourself look foolish.

the witch analogy, well ok, i take your point it could be a bit tasteless, but it does really get the hysterical "everyone is a cheater" note spot on. maybe mccarthyism would be a better one, and it's all "reds under the bed"?
anyway, have a good christmas folks

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Lo0n

have you given up trying to talk sense now zap? well, i suppose it's better that you stop than continue making yourself look foolish.

are you paying attention now loon ?

focus 1 2 3......

Originally Posted by Santa Claus

Ho Ho Ho

Just to clarify some mis-information and incorrect statements and assumptions. I've received a lot of Dear Santa PM in the past week, so instead replying to them all, this should cover it. (I'm a little busy right now)

The ntrks that were posted by me earlier...
Were made in Dec 2007 in version 4.08m (Not a previous version and not 409)
They were not made by some trick of the conf.ini file or any other ntrk trick.
There may be ways to do something similar in some other way. This was done simply by using the Sound Hack and downloads available at the much argued about website. No extractor or special java knowledge or tools....just the files offered from the site and no outside link.
The Lerche was NOT a choice in the servers. The violent reaction of the players in chat as they described there feelings about cheating with mods is why several of the ntrks were not posted for all.

Several asked why the Lerche didn't fly in the CTR=2 rooms or why they never saw it...It did. You needed to override the ntrk view control and cycle through the many players in the room. Instead of teaching those who have difficulty in figuring this out, I am simply re-posting a short version of the track filmed in WOE from another angle so that you can simply see it.

About a dozen similar tracks where made on the same day in servers including.
Spits vs 109s
Skies~of~Warping
UK Dedicated
Zeke vs Wilcats
WingOverEurope
and more, several of which are CRT=1 and CRT=2 and the Lerche was not a choice.

Since the original tracks were posted, several have asked for me to prove it by meeting them on their servers... Which I've done.

For those that didn't see the original ntrks, plenty of people have them and are welcome to re-post them.

Some of the naughty PMs assumed that I am against mods.
I am not against mods as long as the mods are created in a legal manor and/or the developer has given consent. There must also be a working option for the host/server to block the mods (and mutants of them) from online servers IF they are not welcome.. (LOL new technical term... mutant mods)

This ntrk simply shows that online players are not guaranteed a level playing field in 4.08m because the checkruntime is easily beat. The ntrk shows a Sound Hack Lerche take off in an online server (WOE) where the Lerche was not a choice and was not welcome. Again..this can be done in any crt=2 room. A Lerche was used to make it obvious. Using the sound hack any FM, DM or many other types of cheats could be used.

Ho Ho Ho - Still hope the Elves are working on 409 and its near release.

http://rapidshare.com/files/78861110...t_WOE.zip.html

did you spot the really hard to understand part there ? checksum 2 or 1 didnt block what he did

yes, using unauthorized planes in servers that limit plane sets is cheating, even if in your lala land you are going to give it a different name. emm how about using a less obvious plane like the 25lpd spit in a server that has only 1942 or 1943 spits ? make sure you set blabber mode to at least 3 to try and talk your way around that. same with adding mirrors, gyro's, removing cockpit visibility limitations etc.

ahh and now that yet again another person has shown that checksum 2 limitations does diddly squat for most people that want to get around it, make sure you instantly forget it was ever posted and just keep sprouting your nonsense, since wherever you come from you seem to believe that increasing the quantity of nonsenseincrease its relevance.
you say somehow like magic it will

and fear not tomorrow when you wake up your world will be exactly the same again, as if santa's post never happened, and you never read it.