Lucas does Red Tails...

[Codex]

More Hollywood brain washing ...

I can just see the treads coming now ... "I've flown the P-51 just like they did in Red Tails but I can't catch the 262 in CoD ... the FM is porked"

[AWL_Spinner]

Looks more "Pearl Harbour" than "Dark Blue World" so can't say as I'm too excited.

The only modern-era production I have any hope for in terms of realistic portrayal of aircraft physics (why do all CGI productions have to suck so bad?) is Jackson's Dambusters remake, although given the way the dog issue turned out it's already lost all historical credibility.

Originally Posted by AWL_Spinner

Looks more "Pearl Harbour" than "Dark Blue World" so can't say as I'm too excited.

The only modern-era production I have any hope for in terms of realistic portrayal of aircraft physics (why do all CGI productions have to suck so bad?) is Jackson's Dambusters remake, although given the way the dog issue turned out it's already lost all historical credibility.

If it makes you feel any better you can say "nigger" as much as you want at home since the movie isn't going to include it.

How does the dog even have any impact on the film? Did it work the bombsights when they were targeting the dams in Germany? If that one little thing is going to ruin the movie for you, then you have serious problems.

What people are complaining here about Red Tails is that from a 2 minute trailer they've already been able to find enough mistakes to pretty much rule it out as being anything other than a story that happens to be based on true events.

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I can live with the dodgy CGI if the film is good, but to say that a bunch of geekish flight sim guys on a flight sim forum arnt going to rip the iffy CGI apart is a little silly.

We rip each other apart over much less.

Oh and David, you wouldn't understand, if you did, you wouldn't of said it in the first place.

[ARM505]

Ah, Black people (because those are basically the only movie-worthy pilots of WW2, as evidenced by several movies already made, nothwithstanding Ben or the Belle), vs Nazi's (because that's what ALL Germans were in WW2). Great. I can't wait. Also, planes that clearly weigh nothing at all and have no inertia, as CGI always manages to put so obviously on display.

Seriously though, could somebody make a movie that portrays at least some elements of the war from the German side without making them all out as comic bad guys? This was after all a titanic struggle involving another side, in all it's complexity, and they WEREN'T ALL BABY-MURDERING NAZI'S! Surely there must be some movie worthy story from their side (NOT Tom Cruise AAAAARGH epic failing as Graf Stauffenberg pleeeeeaaaase!) I say this not in support of the Germans, but merely for the 'please can we have something FRESH FFS!' aspect!

/Rant

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No all German soldiers look like "orcs" and only say "ja ja ja"

For the most part that's true, there are some good exceptions as you know i guess.

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Originally Posted by ARM505

Surely there must be some movie worthy story from their side (NOT Tom Cruise AAAAARGH epic failing as Graf Stauffenberg pleeeeeaaaase!) I say this not in support of the Germans, but merely for the 'please can we have something FRESH FFS!' aspect!

/Rant

There are but you'll never get it from a country that was an Ally during the war.

[AWL_Spinner]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

If it makes you feel any better.. blah blah

You miss the point completely, of course, as to be expected in any terminally weak argument that invokes racism in it's first sentence (Godwin-lite?).

If it's not feasible to include it in a film in this day and age because of wrong-headed sensibilities then just don't include it. If hearing such words in a plummy British accent offends your delicate ears, don't put it in, no need to invite the revisionism squad to pretend it was something it wasn't. Not as if there's not enough drama elsewhere in the mission to cover, is it!

If it makes things any easier for you to understand, I'd be just as irritated by the invention of a beautiful American love interest, the casting of a woman as Wing Commander 'Guy' Gibson, or a P51 pathfinder piloted by Ben Affleck out in front of the Lancasters (or, logically, B17s). All just as fictitious as a dog named Digger.

It's simply unnecessary and cheapens the whole venture. The movie industry seems to view the public as simpletons (in this, and, to return vaguely to topic, the perceived need to portray WWII fighters as inertialess X-Wings because, presumably, real aircraft are just not sexy enough).

[Feathered_IV]

Fifty bucks says there will be a line something like:

"A pilot? Y'all got as much chance o becommin' pilots as one o' your kind as become president o the You-nighted Staites"

[David Hayward]

A couple of comments about the movie from Ed Shipley:

Just left OSH after spending a couple days with Lucas there.... he showed the trailer at the Young Eagles dinner... got a standing ovation. Then played it last night at the Ford Theater in the woods.... thousands of people there.... another standing ovation... and they screamed for it to be played again... which they did.

ASB has been helping consult on the flying sequences with the Mustangs for over year.... its been very cool to see this movie come together. The flying is mostly CGI... I wasn't sure about how it would really come out at first... but George's team has nailed it. For the first time ever the epic scale of aerial combat has been captured. No one could ever find the real planes or money to do it in the lens... George has the technology and skill set to make it all from scratch....

End of the day.... it's a dog fighting movie.... over an hour of aerial combat.... it's off the hook.

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I've been looking at the Red Tail CGI for almost two years now. These guys are really driving for as much detail as they can... for example they were at the Gather of Mustangs and Legends taking photos of the tiny details of the Mustangs metal... which they then used to skin into the wire frames they built. ASB took two Mustangs up to Skywalker and attacked the ranch so their sound design folks could capture the noise the Stangs made. It goes on and on. As I watched the CGI come together... one of the things that I was quite taken back by was the scope of the number of aircraft in the air. Hundreds of them... these are not numbers that Lucas made up so he could make the movie bigger... it's how it really was. No one has been able to generate that number of planes in the air before. Additionally, because of the CGI they were able to place the camera (and audience) in places to watch the action where no one has ever been before.... which at times makes some of the shots overwhelming... but when was the last time anyone sat still at 20,000 feet and had a hundred B-17's come by while they were being attacked?

All I can tell you is that these guys have attacked the dogfight sequences with great effort and passion...

If you don't know who Ed Shipley is, he's the guy in `Double Trouble Two'.