Post links to 'cheating using the soundmod' tracks here:

[Urufu_Shinjiro]

Originally Posted by Baron

So said person was "looking" for undenible proof, said person "wants" concrete evidance?

Pardon my less than perfect english (i know how it enoys u)...but i couldnt care less.


Doenst matter what kind of proof will be posted, there will allways be a "if" or "but" in there somewhere. I hope those with proof (me being one of them) will relize that in the next page or 2 so we can put this joke of a thredh to bed to. A joke, as in: never ending story.

Those with proof can show them where it actually matters, to Oleg for ex. so it can help him come up with a solution (not that i think it will happen). Maby post them over at Ubi zoo showing people what to look out for. Just a couple of examples.


BTW, Im still bilingual, with english as my second language...how about u?


Maby i can post in my native language and u can correct my spelling then to...mmm, how about it?

Ok, this is so damn stupid! Someone claims to have proof, the acussed asks to see said proof, the one with proof says "I have it, but I don't think I'll show you". I'm sorry but if you say you have proof and don't produce it then that makes you a liar! I've tried to stay out of these threads because they are going nowhere but this was too much to ignore, I mean the nerve! I can't beleive you actually have the nerve to claim "I have proof" and then when asked to show it for the world to see you are right you say" ummm welll, I have proof but I...I don't wanna show it...", That if fecking insane!!!

[Baron]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Ok, this is so damn stupid! Someone claims to have proof, the acussed asks to see said proof, the one with proof says "I have it, but I don't think I'll show you". I'm sorry but if you say you have proof and don't produce it then that makes you a liar! I've tried to stay out of these threads because they are going nowhere but this was too much to ignore, I mean the nerve! I can't beleive you actually have the nerve to claim "I have proof" and then when asked to show it for the world to see you are right you say" ummm welll, I have proof but I...I don't wanna show it...", That if fecking insane!!!

Did u even read earlier posts? Especially those made by myselfe?


Please, god, dont make me repeat myselfe again.

[JG52Uther]

Originally Posted by Urufu_Shinjiro

Ok, this is so damn stupid! Someone claims to have proof, the acussed asks to see said proof, the one with proof says "I have it, but I don't think I'll show you". I'm sorry but if you say you have proof and don't produce it then that makes you a liar! I've tried to stay out of these threads because they are going nowhere but this was too much to ignore, I mean the nerve! I can't beleive you actually have the nerve to claim "I have proof" and then when asked to show it for the world to see you are right you say" ummm welll, I have proof but I...I don't wanna show it...", That if fecking insane!!!

Thanks Urufu,it is all I ever wanted.But it is useless,it is not worth the abuse to try and put your point of view across.Best to stay out of the threads now,and let them say what they want.At the end of the day its not really important compared to what is happening in the real world is it.
Today I learned that a friend of mine had his leg blown off this week in Iraq fighting terrorists.THAT is important.This is not.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Thanks Urufu,it is all I ever wanted.But it is useless,it is not worth the abuse to try and put your point of view across.Best to stay out of the threads now,and let them say what they want..

your being hypocritical uther

Originally Posted by Uther

Joined: 02 Nov 2007
Posts: 172 Location: UK
Post Can someone please make a 109 E mirror?
Forget the poll,can someone please do this? Please

ahh but you were badly misunderstood were you, in fact you asked for it only, and weren't going to use it ?

or was it, you only were going to use it offline

mmm or was it, you were going to use it online but actually msg everybody to let them know you had extra features added to your plane ?

which was it ?

[JG52Uther]

'Today I learned that a friend of mine had his leg blown off this week in Iraq fighting terrorists.THAT is important.This is not'

You missed that bit off your quote.


And you did'nt quote this one either:

'zapatista seems to know more about modding in il2 than I ever will!
Although I love these mods,I have 2 installs of il2. Unless I am playing with friends,I use the unmodded version online.'


Yes I will only use the mirror offline,although no one has actually made one yet.

Done talking to you.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

'Today I learned that a friend of mine had his leg blown off this week in Iraq fighting terrorists.THAT is important.This is not'

You missed that bit off your quote.

no i didnt. you'r cheapening and disrespecting the tragedy your friend experienced, to bring it up here as somehow justifying your previous pro hack statements, which is why i didnt respond to it.

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

'And you did'nt quote this one either:
'zapatista seems to know more about modding in il2 than I ever will!

one moment your pretending no cheating is possible or happening, then in reply you get lots of posts proving exactly the opposite, and now your complaining the people arguing against the possibility of cheating online are actually hackers ? make up your mind.

it's this feigned ignorance and denying of how bad things are with hacks in il2 that bothers me the most with your lot posting here. half the time you dont even seem to know what is actually happening in your own little forum lair, but it doesnt seem to stop you making 50 posts pretending things are honky dory and it all doesnt matter.

fyi as a worst case scenario you now have people on full real servers flying with increased performance planes, set to no cockpits, and looking for enemy planes with fluorescent orange skins and triple sized il2 dots, etc.. does that mean this extreme form of cheating is rampant, no it isnt, but milder versions of that example are now a daily occurrence. add a gun gyro to your plane, a mirror, added visibility, its not a slippery slope, its an out of control bush fire !

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

'Show me the thread in which I promoted the hack? I see no evidence of links to websites,pictures of hacks,how to hack etc in any of my posts.

i'd say asking for new hack features fits the "promoting the hack" category, dont you ?

Originally Posted by JG52Uther

Yes I will only use the mirror offline,although no one has actually made one yet.

sure , i believe you. especially after the 10 pictures you added showing the real historical 109 E often did have a mirror. it wouldnt really be a big deal using it online then right ? i mean , other planes already have mirrors to, right ?

[jasonbirder]

I can't help but think we're all being diverted away from the real argument here if we only discuss the pro's and con's of the Sound Mod in terms of whether any form of online cheating occurs...

The bigger picture is that the vast majority of IL2 play is offline rather than online (Oleg is quoted as saying approximately 95% of players are Offline players...which would fit well with industry estimates for the typical Online/Offline ratio of gameplayers) and of the people that do play online...only a proportion of them will play on Hyperlobby - with the rest playing on their own dedicated or squadron servers or through peer to peer connections...
So even if there is any cheating it is not something which will affect the vast majority of IL2 players.


Besides cheating has always been possible in IL2 - its not a new subject for discussion...Prnt Sreen, disconnecting, lag manipulation have existed for a long time...as has gamesmanship such as flaps on a slider, trim abuse, altering the gamma on your monitor so you can see through the G blackout etc etc...so to imply that before the existance of the Sound Mod everything was great, following its release everything is appalling is a complete misrepresentation of the situation...I can quote from threads about Online cheating that were posted back in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 etc etc...

Besides...how prevelent is it really? Even if it is possible to manipulate the game on closed servers...is it really occuring with any regularity? For all the ping pong arguments in this thread...there are no examples of genuine online cheating refered to here...merely examples of people showing it is possible...I can only assume that rather than servers being full of 1000 KPH Cr42s with Rayguns that in actuality life is continuing exactly as it was before the release of the Sound Mod.

And even if it did occur, surely its the responsibility of the Server Admins and players populating a server to identify and ban any offenders...If you choose to fly in an environment that allows and encourages cheating (IE: an open access serverwhere you are flying with random, anonymous people...in a competitive, stat-driven, win at all costs environment) surely you should take responsibility for making it a fair and enjoyable environment to fly in...rather than throwing that responsibility back onto the wider IL2 community who have no interest or stake in it whatsoever.

So in summary...Cheating doesn't affect most people, its not a new thing anyway, it doesn't seem to occur that often and perhaps stopping it is the concern of the hyperlobby players and server admins rather than a concern for the bulk of the IL2 community who are neither interested nor affected!

[Lo0n]

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

I can't help but think we're all being diverted away from the real argument here if we only discuss the pro's and con's of the Sound Mod in terms of whether any form of online cheating occurs...

The bigger picture is that the vast majority of IL2 play is offline rather than online (Oleg is quoted as saying approximately 95% of players are Offline players...which would fit well with industry estimates for the typical Online/Offline ratio of gameplayers) and of the people that do play online...only a proportion of them will play on Hyperlobby - with the rest playing on their own dedicated or squadron servers or through peer to peer connections...
So even if there is any cheating it is not something which will affect the vast majority of IL2 players.


Besides cheating has always been possible in IL2 - its not a new subject for discussion...Prnt Sreen, disconnecting, lag manipulation have existed for a long time...as has gamesmanship such as flaps on a slider, trim abuse, altering the gamma on your monitor so you can see through the G blackout etc etc...so to imply that before the existance of the Sound Mod everything was great, following its release everything is appalling is a complete misrepresentation of the situation...I can quote from threads about Online cheating that were posted back in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 etc etc...

Besides...how prevelent is it really? Even if it is possible to manipulate the game on closed servers...is it really occuring with any regularity? For all the ping pong arguments in this thread...there are no examples of genuine online cheating refered to here...merely examples of people showing it is possible...I can only assume that rather than servers being full of 1000 KPH Cr42s with Rayguns that in actuality life is continuing exactly as it was before the release of the Sound Mod.

And even if it did occur, surely its the responsibility of the Server Admins and players populating a server to identify and ban any offenders...If you choose to fly in an environment that allows and encourages cheating (IE: an open access serverwhere you are flying with random, anonymous people...in a competitive, stat-driven, win at all costs environment) surely you should take responsibility for making it a fair and enjoyable environment to fly in...rather than throwing that responsibility back onto the wider IL2 community who have no interest or stake in it whatsoever.

So in summary...Cheating doesn't affect most people, its not a new thing anyway, it doesn't seem to occur that often and perhaps stopping it is the concern of the hyperlobby players and server admins rather than a concern for the bulk of the IL2 community who are neither interested nor affected!

get out! you're not allowed such reasoned discourse here!
lol
ahh jason, that is about the best summary going.

[zapatista]

you must be the runt of the hacker litter, because you consistently make the least sense

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

The bigger picture is that the vast majority of IL2 play is offline rather than online (Oleg is quoted as saying approximately 95% of players are Offline players...which would fit well with industry estimates for the typical Online/Offline ratio of gameplayers) and of the people that do play online..

so lets translate the jason-speak,....the point that you are making is that therefore online cheating should be allowed completely unrestricted, even promoted,, just because it doesnt matter to jason ?

not only is that absurd, but whatever little time oleg had to add the last few fixes to other import bugs in the 4.09 patch, it being the LAST chance to fix things, now wont occur as extensively because they have to plug the hack leak, thanks jason, great idea there !

the online multiplayer community has also been the most active in providing feedback, making requests, and influencing further developments in il2 since its inception. even if it is a part of total sales, rather than the complete market. and your quote is dated, it will nowadays be at least around 50%, with the increase in net access in the last years.

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

.only a proportion of them will play on Hyperlobby - with the rest playing on their own dedicated or squadron servers or through peer to peer connections...
So even if there is any cheating it is not something which will affect the vast majority of IL2 players.

you'r on a roll now. so because jason cant count on his fingers how important online fair play is on ALL coop and dogfight servers for the community at large, we therefore should be bothered with hacking the files. let me ask my 9 yo if he sees the flaw in that......

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Besides cheating has always been possible in IL2 - its not a new subject for discussion...Prnt Sreen, disconnecting, lag manipulation have existed for a long time...as has gamesmanship such as flaps on a slider, trim abuse, altering the gamma on your monitor so you can see through the G blackout etc etc...so to imply that before the existance of the Sound Mod everything was great, following its release everything is appalling is a complete misrepresentation of the situation...I can quote from threads about Online cheating that were posted back in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 etc etc...

thank the gods you dont have a job that matters in the real world. you'r basically saying that because influenza does exists and can affect people, that we therefore shouldn't do anything about malaria, cholera, pox, aids, ... etc. dont you see it is irrational aspect of the "logic" you are using ?

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

Besides...how prevelent is it really? Even if it is possible to manipulate the game on closed servers...is it really occuring with any regularity? For all the ping pong arguments in this thread...there are no examples of genuine online cheating refered to here...merely examples of people showing it is possible...I can only assume that rather than servers being full of 1000 KPH Cr42s with Rayguns that in actuality life is continuing exactly as it was before the release of the Sound Mod.

yes, lets take the argument to the absurd in order to try and make a point. your now saying that because there is not a shower of 1000 meteor's heading for the earth right now, that meteors dont matter. since you seem to live a sheltered life, maybe get out more on some of the better servers (yes, even those not on HL, presuming you can find them), and on voice comm's see what kind of observations the regulars have. most will have seen confirmations of cheating, and there has been a significant rise in reports since the sound hack started being spread into the wild.

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

And even if it did occur, surely its the responsibility of the Server Admins and players populating a server to identify and ban any offenders...If you choose to fly in an environment that allows and encourages cheating (IE: an open access serverwhere you are flying with random, anonymous people...in a competitive, stat-driven, win at all costs environment) surely you should take responsibility for making it a fair and enjoyable environment to fly in...rather than throwing that responsibility back onto the wider IL2 community who have no interest or stake in it whatsoever.

your lack of having some rational perspective on all of this is stunning ! you've now said that the existence of a widespread hack, its open promotion and widespread use actually doesnt matter at all, since people should only use servers you like, and that fairness and honesty in the whole online community isnt important. and emm, if people are really silly enough to play with other ww2 aviation enthousiasts from around the world, then really they should have some mother hen overseeing them 24/7 to make sure each user isnt cheating. i have a simpler solution, you go play werever you want with whatever you want, and the rest of us want a simple secure way to play online without cheating.

Originally Posted by jasonbirder

So in summary...Cheating doesn't affect most people, its not a new thing anyway, it doesn't seem to occur that often and perhaps stopping it is the concern of the hyperlobby players and server admins rather than a concern for the bulk of the IL2 community who are neither interested nor affected!

i think you need more ram and a new cpu, then reboot and ask yourself the same questions.