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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 07-25-2011, 09:14 PM
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All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.

Ernestly people, do you really believe you would be satisfied with more information???

Serious???

Never!!!

The moaning and bitching would start again: why not sooner? We have the right for a fixed game? and so on, and so on...

So Luthier can spare himself all the grief, has only 1 thread of moaning, and can finish the patch in relative peace, as far as that is possible here.
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I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.
Look guys I know that the moaning is irritating but if you don't mind being kept in the dark that's fine, just don't expect everyone to share the same opinion I have been waiting patiently and trying to stop the flood of constant moaning and therefore labeled a "Fanboy" the funny thing is were all Fanboys otherwise we wouldn't be hear moaning or defending...
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:23 PM
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I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.
David, your lack of respect for people that don't agree with your ideas is really not doing you any favour.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:24 PM
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I disagree. The fact that they are meant in earnest makes them even more funny.
David and Robtek, You i are in the minority here, and nobody cares what you say, dont believe me? i dare YOU to put up a Poll.

I did. just have another look at it.
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:33 PM
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I just have this mental image of several people actually foaming at the mouth
So true, i couldn't suppress an initial outburst of laughter when i saw the update.


In all honesty though, what more is there to say if it's still under development? "Hey guys, we're still working on the sound and it's going well" is what we're being told. Some will be happy about it, some will simply go "meh, i'll play title X for a few more weeks until it's done" and some will demand to know more.

I just don't know what a regular weekly update would cover at this point. The updates we had in the past (during development) were keeping people calm because we hadn't yet seen the sim so everything seemed new. Now that we have seen it, an in-depth update would have to contain more technical things and to be honest, i don't know how useful that would be to the average forum poster:

"Today we adjusted our sounds so that at high speeds the propeller sound overcomes the engine sound, this is done by shifting the waveforms up a bit and adding a 5% change in the pitch of the sound".

Is this useful to someone who's not a professional sound editor? More importantly, would it quench the thirst of those who shout the loudest or would it just result in the same old "what is this technical jargon? give me a video preview and tell me when it's ready man", followed by charts from the e-expert brigade about how things really go on in real life?
Be honest guys, i think we all know the answer here: there is a certain group whose appetite grows exponentially with every scrap of information they're fed, some just want information but for some others no amount of it will ever be enough.

Let's face it, the pool of easy to understand and not overly technical oriented things to post as updates is exhausted, until something is finished and displayed in its final working state there's not much to say. Unless people are proficient in the tools and programming languages these guys use, there is nothing of benefit to post except a "we're working on feature X" or an announcement when it's ready.

The notion that the average poster here would somehow benefit from in-depth technical information is proven absurd by their own behaviour: a substantial percentage is seemingly unable to read the manual or find answers and workarounds to issues that have been answered multiple times since April and plastered all over the relevant sections, often in sticky threads no less.

In other words and forgive my being a bit blunt here, if someone who's had the game for 5 months can't find out how to customize or delete an info window and hasn't read the manual yet (the ever reappearing questions about camera control, enabling/disabling mouse cursor and so on), that person doesn't deserve more in-depth technical updates because he's learning-averse anyway
Ok, i'm being a bit harsh, so let's rephrase: it wouldn't do him any good to know how the sound engineer or the FM programmer does what he needs to do when he doesn't have the tiniest bit of patience to read readily available information on how to improve his gameplay experience, it's like building a reversed pyramid.

The only other thing that could be talked about is a road map and ETA dates. Well, we've already got a road map and if it changed all the time it wouldn't be much of a road map, so i guess it still applies. As for ETAs, people have trouble understanding the initial E and think that estimated equals definite, at which point if the date slips they go all tar and pitchforks again, so why bother making estimates that will be taken as commitments and used to generate further unrest down the road?

Long story short, the only useful thing that's left to be said until tangible results are reached and a preview is shown, is something to the tune of "we are working on feature X, it's going well/takes a bit longer than expected/is ahead of schedule".

Well, that's exactly what we got here and it pretty much covers what i need to know:
a) are they are working on something? yes
b) what is it? the sounds
c) how is it progressing? well
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Old 07-25-2011, 09:22 PM
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All this moaning about imaginary rights of information, if they weren't meant in ernest they would be funny.

Ernestly people, do you really believe you would be satisfied with more information???

Serious???

Never!!!

The moaning and bitching would start again: why not sooner? We have the right for a fixed game? and so on, and so on...

So Luthier can spare himself all the grief, has only 1 thread of moaning, and can finish the patch in relative peace, as far as that is possible here.
that is incorrect, at least in my case. And again, I don't feel like I'm whining, I'm just asking for a long overdue update over a product that I bought 5 months ago. You never heard me saying anything before CoD came out, now that I have it and can't play it Im patiently waiting for updates, but the last thing I will accept, as an adult, is to be mocked by someone I paid to deliver a working product which at the moment isn't working as it should.
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