Very short development update

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Meusli

You seem very twitchy for a person who is very tolerant. I responded to your post because it seemed quite angry as you used bolded text and told us all to get a reality check. You said "they were forced to release a game" I explained what I knew from the years I have read the updates for your benefit, yes they were forced to release the game early.

I also have no problem with you not liking the game or being disappointed in it, I just don't understand all the hate you and your buddies spew on these forums multiple times a day like you are doing everyone a favour. I would not mind if the spewing so much if it was of a different nature every time it was dribbled out, but alas it is not.

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

[lothar29]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

I am totally agree with what you say.

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

there's no hate, hate would be posting "CURSE YOU, MADDOX GAMES! I'M UNINSTALLING THIS PIECE OF C**P THING YOU MADE COS IT AIN'T WORKING!! I'M GONNA SUE YOUR A** AND THEN RUN TO MY DOCTOR FOR ANTI-DEPRESSANTS!!!"
I actually do like the sim and its potential, despite being buggy and half finished. There's great, great possibilities with this engine.

What I don't like is that the lead developer of a game that we paid for feels entitled to behave like this, not as an alternative like "here's the updates.. now for the funny side of things, check this out..", but as "hey, here's what I think of you, you're just a bunch of whiney monkeys who's gonna do what I say and take anything I say for good".

I would really like to see what your reaction would be if you were at the receiving end of all this on another daily life situation: as someone else wisely posted, it's like having a sports car that you can enjoy every now and then, because you work all the week and have a family/chores to take care of, and when you finally sit in it, hoping that all the money that you spent for were for a good cause, it won't work as promised. 5 months after you bought it the dealer answers to your right questions "yeah, we're working on it, it's gonna be fine, in the mean time have a look at this random video, we really think of you as a valued customer!"


P.S.
As for the bold, it's not shouting, it's stressing on something, caps is shouting.

When you have a dodgy sports car and wish to complain about it how often would you? Once a month, week, day or hour? We are all in the same boat here and not one of us have a different game from the others so we all start from the same place but seems we end up at different destinations. I can tell you if you rang a garage hourly to repeat the same thing over and over again he will tell you where to go.

I take it you have played games before this and have good knowledge of games development from past titles. The fact that the developer speaks to us directly and usually weekly, with a touch of honesty as well, is more than any other software house has done in the entire history of me playing computer games. I respect that more than you would know. I have seen games that have bombed and not one of those has had the top honcho on their forums relaying information to us like Luthier does. They are usually released and abandoned, that's all we get from them.

ps I never implied you shouted.

[adonys]

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by adonys

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

No one else is making WW2 flight sims. Where do you plan on going?

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by adonys

thing is, other software houses have a much wider market, so they can afford to not care about the customers, as there are hundreds of thousands of other customers.

simulators on the other hand are a much narrower market, and if you alienate your customers base in this market, you're toasted!

Atari released tons of games to a wider market that were substandard and poorly supported, look what happened to them. Bad and unsupported games fail no matter the size of the fanbase. Also the competition in the popular genres is much tougher, where as the competition in flight sims is barely no existent.

[adonys]

of course, even bigger software houses can't pull that of an unlimited number of times. a few times they can get over with no problem, but after a point, the giants go down even faster than the smaller ones.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Meusli

When you have a dodgy sports car and wish to complain about it how often would you? Once a month, week, day or hour? We are all in the same boat here and not one of us have a different game from the others so we all start from the same place but seems we end up at different destinations. I can tell you if you rang a garage hourly to repeat the same thing over and over again he will tell you where to go.

I would refer to the dealer, who's gonna apologise, take care of it, give me a courtesy car, fix the issue and give me the car back, valeted too.

Now I don't want this much of a service, all I'm asking is that the developers, like any other developer of videogames (again, take a look at what Studio 777 and NeoQB before them did with RoF), keep their customers up to date.

You know what the real drama is? Maddox Games has always had an erratic PR managing, as a consequence some outstanding features of the sim are not even known/reported, and people randomly find out by mistake, that's the true shame.

I take it you have played games before this and have good knowledge of games development from past titles. The fact that the developer speaks to us directly and usually weekly, with a touch of honesty as well, is more than any other software house has done in the entire history of me playing computer games. I respect that more than you would know. I have seen games that have bombed and not one of those has had the top honcho on their forums relaying information to us like Luthier does. They are usually released and abandoned, that's all we get from them.

ps I never implied you shouted.

I have yes, played PC games since the times of Yeager Air Combat and similar, and I've seen them all.. my concern is a constructive one, I'm not crying for performance issues or tracers here, if you have the time and patience to look in other threads I actually do defend Maddox Games work, cos under many aspects it's spot on.

Look, it's obvious you don't want to understand my point, shall we just agree to disagree?

[Meusli]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I would refer to the dealer, who's gonna apologise, take care of it, give me a courtesy car, fix the issue and give me the car back, valeted too.

Now I don't want this much of a service, all I'm asking is that the developers, like any other developer of videogames (again, take a look at what Studio 777 and NeoQB before them did with RoF), keep their customers up to date.

You know what the real drama is? Maddox Games has always had an erratic PR managing, as a consequence some outstanding features of the sim are not even known/reported, and people randomly find out by mistake, that's the true shame.



I have yes, played PC games since the times of Yeager Air Combat and similar, and I've seen them all.. my concern is a constructive one, I'm not crying for performance issues or tracers here, if you have the time and patience to look in other threads I actually do defend Maddox Games work, cos under many aspects it's spot on.

Look, it's obvious you don't want to understand my point, shall we just agree to disagree?

OK I can do that, I do not have the energy to keep this up for long anyhow.